"I guess I am just losing interest in KS/Indiegogo" Topic

Indiegogo was never a major player for me.

As for KS – link shows what I have backed/been interested in.

Perhaps it is just my reducing my efforts/breadth of gaming but I have been less and less drawn to anything lately.

I still have a few projects "truant":

WOMEN PILOTS OF WWII (SOVIETS) – link

or pending:

A last hurrah for larger figures:

link

and a "why Not" project that is progressing:

link

but I find less and less reasons to bother to look at KS or Indiegogo.

And I wonder if it is me (less desire to chase "shiny" and more interest in staying the course on core projects,) or is it the medium (diminishing point of return,) or is it just maturity (mine and/or the technology) that drives my disinterest?

What do you find – are are you more/less/the same attracted to KS and/or Indiegogo?

Edit: Looking at my cross-posting (core interests and related) I think part of the problem is a lack of KS projects in those areas to some degree.

Kickstarter fatigue is real.it was fun for a while,and I can't deny ive got a bargain from certain projects, but it's essentially a pre order system for some company's now (mantic,cmon)

much more selective than I used to be, but every year there seems to be one or two projects that light my fires.

Sounds a lot like me when I got back into the hobby after 10 years and discovered eBay. I went crazy for a while "winning" auctions.

I think that, as with almost everything that matures, it's become an easy place to put projects and there are fewer and fewer original and worthy projects on there as a percentage. Lot's of preorder stuff from the big boys like you say. I think they drown out the more creative niche stuff that KS was intended for.

Someone found three separate projects on at the same time that were simply folks selling hurst arts pieces that they had cast. Like the internet, it's harder to find the good stuff through all the noise.

Some of the thrill has died down, but I haven't noticed a notable decline in the number of potentially interesting and useful projects. I'm just a bit more picky now. I still seem to find a couple of really knockout deals (Airship pirates and Salvage crew last year) a year and one or two pre-sale style deals that are a significant enough savings over retail for me to pledge.

KS has gone from the "new-shiny-gotta-have-it" to simply being another arrow in my quiver on my hunt for good deals. That's probably the way it should be.

These funding schemes are half fad and half scam, so eventually people are likely to become less enthusiastic.

-Kle.

having been screwed by one ks I will only back those with whom I know

beware AfterMath Mods

Yes, the number of projects remains high, it's my (and many others, apparently) appetite for backing new projects that is diminished.

-Will

I was never a huge Kickstarter guy (no Bones about it, pun intended) but there are definitely gems to be found out there in all sorts of niche products. In a way that's probably kept me a little more interested, since I've never been deluged with hundreds of minis from a recently completed campaign.

I'm finding that I'm buying games that were KS that I didn't back originally, like Tiny Epic Kingdoms.

Then, the company runs a second KS and I go all in for Tiny Epic Galaxies based on the strength of the first game.

Gonna be putting most of the projects , i backed on KS on ebay in the not too distant future.
not watchin any others, and am waiting for salamders project to come through .

If a KS is wildly popular, you tend to get plenty of extras which translates into "a bargain." Otherwise, the prices for the projects are not terribly different than the retail versions. Sometimes retail is cheaper. Of course, you don't get all the extra goodies.

I suspect most KS that don't deliver are not "scams" as pointed out above but more of the result of mismanagement of funds. There have been a few notable exceptions to which KS and the law have come after them.

My own KS participation has slowed considerable, but I think that is in large part to there being fewer and fewer projects that really interest me. It seemed for a while that there were a whole succession of gaming projects that I wanted to get into. For the last 6+ months, not so many.

Of course the fact that I have a couple of my original KS projects that are coming up on two years in getting the products out to the backers does little to encourage me to pledge new projects.

Yes, I think Who asked this joker is correct; most gaming KS failures are not due to the creators taking the money and running off to Barbados. Instead it's because they manage the project badly and run out the KS funds before they actually ship much of anything. Most of the notorious failures (Drake, Center Stage Miniatures, Torn Armor, etc) are basically this; they over-promised, miscalculated their costs and couldn't deliver what was promised. But the intent was to deliver; it was the execution to deliver.

Even the ones that were probably not run with pure intentions don't look like classic scams; I suspect that the Defiance Games KS was an attempt to use the excess funds to pay off their creditors, for example. Didn't work, but that was the idea. One reason why a company running a second KS before the first one has shipped is a MASSIVE red flag; the most likely case is that they are trying to fund the initial KS with the proceeds of the second KS….

-Will

For the most part, I limit myself to only solitaire-playable games or 15mm miniatures relevant to my interests. That tends to cull the field down considerably.

I've only been burned once, by Fire Mountain Games.

Regards,

Scott Chisholm

I have a form of ADD that tends for me to hyper focus on one thing at a time. Kickstarter has so many directions to follow that it simply makes my brain short out.

I like the idea of kickstarter but I find myself only backing artsy-fartsy stuff where it's not really about buying a product.

Seems to have killed off the 100 Club and 300 Club at Eureka Miniatures!

There were a couple KSs that I got into that I ended up selling the game still in shrinkwrap. OGRE, for example.

There's another KS where I went stupid, several hundred dollars worth of stupid. Robotech RPG Tactics.

And there's a few others that I backed because it looked like a good idea. Renaissance Minis East Asian Village and Ghosts of Hefei (still waiting on Hefei minis, BTW).

But basically, there have not been many KSs recently that have tripped my Threshold of Awesome.

Nope! Still spending money! :D

KS has definitely matured, as some companies build KS into their business model. Reliable companies with KS experience means pre-order. As much as some look down on companies using KS this way, it's much less risk than a new creator.

Myself, I still look for experienced companies offering an excellent price for bulk miniatures or terrain. This has kept me from mismanaged projects, as well as boardgames and products that end up in the closet. I'll still risk $10 USD or $25 USD on a project by someone with no industry experience.

I'm sure there will be a time when I say I have too many miniatures. Unfortunately, I'm sure that's when I'll get an airbrush and keep pledging! :P

I'm picky.

I've done only three.

Dwarven Forge's first two KS for significant amounts of money and another where I went in with a friend for two figures at a total of $7. USD

There were several others I looked at but veered away from. Having a lot of experience with manufacturing, international supply chain, etc. I can almost tell the ones that will falter just from the start. It is clear just from looking at the offering and time-frame that they have no experience or clue what they are getting into.

If more come along that appeal to me and look like the supplier can complete it I will certainly participate.

Ahh, time for the monthly thread…..

I'm in for 3 right now: Thunderbirds Are Go!, Chibi Dungeon Monsters 2, Ninja All Stars. First portion of last year's Forgotten King is arriving on my doorstep this week ^,^

I still think it's the only realistic way for many people to fund a new range, especially something a bit niche. We've launched one today, because we want to produce a new range and can't afford the productions costs up-front. (cheeky link in case you like anthro animals: link

I'd like to think there is more discrimination on KS now, with people checking project creators out properly first.

> There were several others I looked at but veered away from.

Which ones?

2 Bones, 2 smaller miniatures companies projects – all recieved. haven't painted a lot of them, to say the truth. Backing Raging Heroes now.
One thing that I'm constantly checking, but never backing, is 3d printers. Price tag is much higher, and getting stuff from China that might break down without service network…but it is stil tempting and you can get better product for less money than a year before…

I am thrilled with what I got with All Quiet on the Martian Front pledge! I am still owed a few pieces, but I am happy to have helped a great game and even better line of figures come to pass.

I haven't gotten into any other Kickstarters, but that's only because I own too much stuff already and really don't need to jump into more genres/eras, no matter how tempting the offers are.

I had one failure, and several wins (came more or less on time, and quality was as promised), so I'm still a supporter.

Still waiting on items from an established miniature games company which has only started to bug me now because the stuff from two of the kickstarters are mostly available from the online store and local games store . Grrrrr.
Have not backed their last two because of it unfortunately as they looked very good…on paper.
These set backs have not hindered or made me lose interest however.
Backed a few and some of the best ones were Bones from reaper, Chibi adventurers from Impact and the Myth boardgame.
I have recently enjoyed playing the unique wrath of Kings from Cool mini or not ( one of the most reliable ones) with my kids . This one is a good example of how a kickstarter has an advantage over starting a game or theme, I got all the factions and a spiffy book in one lump .
Still have the bug but may lose interest in time .

I've essentially given up on Kickstarter for minis. My enthusiasm for most mid-sized or larger projects wanes well before the figures are even cast. Still patiently waiting for the RAFM CoC 7th Edition minis.

I'm still going strong on the RPG side of the hobby. Most of the campaigns I've pledged to, pdf or hard copies, have delivered early, with suprise bonus product.

The recent trend of separate shipping charges on top of the pledge is understandable, but that doesn't mean I'm not irked by it. An established company charging an extra ten bucks for domestic postage on $40 USD worth of product when they're circumventing the distribution and direct retail channels seems excessive.