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Mrs Pumblechook26 Mar 2015 5:13 a.m. PST

what sort of polearm is this? haven't been able to track it down

link

arthur181526 Mar 2015 5:29 a.m. PST

I think it is a bill, complete with axe blade, spike for stabbing and hook for pulling men off horses.

SJDonovan26 Mar 2015 5:30 a.m. PST

I think it is a billhook:

link

Too slow! Arthur beat me to it.

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2015 5:31 a.m. PST

Looks like a guisarme. That may actually be what it says in the illustration, hard to make out the lettering.

Mrs Pumblechook26 Mar 2015 5:34 a.m. PST

thank you, that was quick

GurKhan26 Mar 2015 6:20 a.m. PST

A mediaeval Italian would have called it a roncone – link

An Englishman would have called it a bill – picture

I don't think the mediaevals were as systematic about polearm names as some moderns try to be.

vtsaogames26 Mar 2015 6:35 a.m. PST

No one can be as systematic about nomenclature as wargamers. Bonaparte referred to a whiff of grapeshot, wargamers will tell you that it was canister and grapeshot was a naval round. Allied soldiers would it's a German tank, wargamers would say a Mk IV/L50.

GeoffQRF26 Mar 2015 7:22 a.m. PST

I don't think the mediaevals were as systematic about polearm names as some moderns try to be

I suspect there were some very… colloquial… names for them :-)

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2015 7:45 a.m. PST

Kinda off the polearm subject, but I've always liked the Flemish goedendag (good day) which was a combination club and spear. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goedendag

Jim

Winston Smith26 Mar 2015 9:37 a.m. PST

Vtsaogames is correct. The late Gary Gygax could and did wax poetic about pole arms. He would have pages and pages of charts and charts and pictures and pictures.
Most of them were the same thing. grin

I was hoping it was a Bohemian Earspoon.

The Last Conformist26 Mar 2015 9:43 a.m. PST

I think the legend says "Hie gatt der Spanisch scherg hinauss", which'd mean something like "here the Spanish henchman walks out".

Griefbringer26 Mar 2015 10:02 a.m. PST

Allied soldiers would it's a German tank, wargamers would say a Mk IV/L50.

I don't think that a WWII Germans had any Panzer IV with L50 gun, only with L24, L43 and L48 guns. Never mind that the Mk thing is a British-ism, proper krauts would rather refer to Pz Kpw IV Ausf F2 (armed with 7.5 cm KwK40 L/43 gun).

Now, where did I put my Bohemian earspoon…

goragrad26 Mar 2015 12:30 p.m. PST

Actually proper British wargamers would refer to it as a Mk IV Special…

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2015 1:58 p.m. PST

Vtsogames is right on point, I doubt anyone on the revceiving end really cared what sort of blade was ripping him open.
Winston, I clearly recall the article you are talking about, way back when, I made loads of polearms base on those very illustrations.

Sobieski26 Mar 2015 4:30 p.m. PST

Actually, the Bohemian earspoon is a misnomer. The earliest record of the weapon is found in the Olomouc public archives, so it's clearly a Moravian earspoon. Czechs go home!

jgibbons26 Mar 2015 4:52 p.m. PST

I would have said Italian bill…

Ilodic26 Mar 2015 5:08 p.m. PST

People realized what cuts vegetation, is also good at flesh and bone.

However, in contemporary times, a chainsaw is out matched by a firearm…in most movies;-)

ilodic.

Mrs Pumblechook26 Mar 2015 5:16 p.m. PST

I was hoping it was a bohemian earspoon as well. I was disappointed, and that's why I asked :-)

vtsaogames26 Mar 2015 6:05 p.m. PST

Albanian arquebusiers backed up by Bohemian earspoons, that's the ticket.

SJDonovan27 Mar 2015 2:13 a.m. PST

"Identify this Polearm" is a great title for a daytime TV quiz show. I see Lloyd Grossman as presenter, maybe with Rachel Riley as co-host.

MajorB27 Mar 2015 4:06 a.m. PST

I would have said Italian bill…

I didn't know Bill was Italian … grin

Rich Bliss27 Mar 2015 7:47 a.m. PST

Italian bill? We haven't paid the Greek one yet

Norman D Landings28 Mar 2015 6:08 p.m. PST

WFRP took the opposite tack to D&D, and lumped everything more complicated than a spear together in the 'halberd' category.
They also slipped in a subtle dig at Gary Gygax's polearm-categorization fetish…

One item of loot in an WFRP adventure module turned out to be a hefty tome containing illustrations and exhaustive descriptions of many, many polearms, listing the (often very slight) differences between them.
Reading it imparted no benefit whatsoever.

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