"New Sughdian Lancers and Mounted Bowmen " Topic

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Tango01	25 Mar 2015 11:53 a.m. PST
From Aventine Miniatures… The horses look short? Main page aventineminiatures.co.uk Amicalement Armand
GurKhan	25 Mar 2015 1:57 p.m. PST
The horses look short? No, I think it's just the angle at which the photos are taken.
Codsticker	26 Mar 2015 8:00 a.m. PST
Maybe a little, but probably fairly realistic for the time.
Lewisgunner	26 Mar 2015 3:42 p.m. PST
Match them against the pictures of Sogdians on Druzhina's site?
greenknight4	26 Mar 2015 6:32 p.m. PST
What period are these?
Druzhina	26 Mar 2015 10:13 p.m. PST
Sogdians in armoured cowls may be based on one figure (with short sleeves) in Sogdians on foot and mounted in a Sogdian mural from Panjakent, 6th-8th Centuries but they also appear in neighbouring areas: A Uighur? cowl (of platelets?). Miniature on paper, from Xoqo, Tarim Basin, 8th-9th Century. and a dish showing soldiers in winged helmets in combat, from post Sasanian Iran For Sogdian helmets and aventails there is Sogdian armoured cavalry from Panjakent, 6th-8th centuries The short sleeved coat with right over left closure is similar to a Sogdian split tapestry (kilim) coat with animal motifs, Central Asia, 9th/10th Century Other images don't show short sleeves, see a horsemen at Piandjikent has three quarter sleeves. and Iranian Dish with a Horsearcher Hunting, c.8th Century They could have lapels like a horseman from a Sogdian Mortuary Couch, China, Henan province, probably Ce xian, A.D. 550-577 or on a Cup with horseman, Khwarezm, c.7th to beginning of the 8th Century (note the horse's mane tassels like an Aventine horse) Another alternative Sogdian armoured cavalryman on a painted shield from Mug castle, eighth century. Bow cases tend to be for unstrung bows. MIRROR SITES Sogdian murals from Panjikent Sogdian murals from Panjikent Druzhina Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers
Tango01	26 Mar 2015 11:26 p.m. PST
Many thanks for your guidance my friend!. Amicalement Armand
GurKhan	27 Mar 2015 2:11 a.m. PST
There's a paper on Sogdian equipment in the "migration period" which concentrates on stuff earlier than the better-known Pendjikent paintings, at PDF link Marshak's paper on Sogdian tactics as shown in the late 7th/early 8th century Penjikent murals at PDF link Yatsenko on Sogdian costume at link suggesting changes due to much greater Turkic influence from the 620s or so.
greenknight4	27 Mar 2015 10:28 a.m. PST
Ditto
Tango01	27 Mar 2015 10:30 a.m. PST
Many thanks to you too!. Amicalement Armand
janner	28 Mar 2015 4:03 a.m. PST
Maybe a little, but probably fairly realistic for the time. Agreed, the cannons could be considered a bit chunky, but they're practical for gaming.