Macu naima 01 | 31 May 2015 10:16 a.m. PST |
I wonder what handle Khurasan is using on here now? |
138SquadronRAF | 01 Jun 2015 6:56 a.m. PST |
Help me understand things. Have a sock puppet account and get your account locked. Fair enough. AND YET, the OFM is up front about having a sock puppet in Winston Smith and both post regularly. What gives? To paraphrase Orwell "All TMPer's are equal, but some are more equal than others"….. |
Texas Jack | 01 Jun 2015 7:32 a.m. PST |
The problem is Khurasan was using his sock puppets to tout his own products and to speak badly about the competition. Mac on the other hand, is a banned member who cannot be without us all here, and so keeps sneaking back in. |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 01 Jun 2015 10:48 a.m. PST |
>>>>AND YET, the OFM is up front about having a sock puppet in Winston Smith and both post regularly. What gives? To paraphrase Orwell "All TMPer's are equal, but some are more equal than others"….. Quoted for truth as the kiddies say… The fellow in question routinely breaks the rules against personal attacks, the rules against ing, etc. But I don't recall the last time I saw him do time in the DH. He's (in my opinion) one of the top four or five biggest problem posters on the site, but he clearly gets a pass on his bad behavior. More equal than others indeed… I suspect that the double standard exists because the editor does not want to face the fact that he made a mistake for allowing him back in after banning him. OFM clearly recognizes this and thinks he's untouchable now. Ah well. It is what it is… On an interesting note, some months ago I encountered a gentleman who claims to have gamed with him in the past. He reports that in person OMF is actually a decent human being. But that's no surprise. It's pretty typical for folks of that behavior pattern to abuse the disconnect of the 'net to act out in ways they would never dream of in person. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 01 Jun 2015 10:57 a.m. PST |
If you think he's broken the rules, hit the Complaint Button. |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 01 Jun 2015 11:09 a.m. PST |
I do. Quite often as a matter of fact. But the reports on this particular individual are always ignored. As I said, he gets away with things that others would not. Some animals are more equal than others…. |
Winston Smith | 01 Jun 2015 11:17 a.m. PST |
Firstly, I would like to thank the Good Lads at Frothers for pointing this out to me. I don't usually keep track of threads that fell off the bottom of the front page. No. I do not consider myself untouchable. Not that it's any of your damn business, Trenchie. I have no understanding with Dear Editor in Chief regarding my behavior. I am in just as much peril as anybody else. Since you seem to have set yourself as a hall monitor and informant extraordinaire, feel free to run to teacher and rat me out whenever you feel it necessary. Go to the very first page of this thread where I explain why I feel I am violating no forum rules by having MANY accounts. It is mere device convenience. And it is even in the FAQ that what I am doing is acceptable. If you consider responding to you in the exact tone of voice that you use on everybody else "trolling", I am glad you are not in my gaming group. Pot. Kettle. Funny. The last person to say that he met me and has played in my basement is one of the regulars at Frothers. I consider him a nice guy too. Are you hanging out at Frothers too, Trench Raider? Hmmm…. Maybe you should turn yourself in too. |
Winston Smith | 01 Jun 2015 11:25 a.m. PST |
I do. Quite often as a matter of fact. That says it all, doesn't it? "Teacher! Teacher! John the OFM was farting during the Pledge of Allegiance!" The next time you go to the DH will you consider yourself a multiple repeat offender? Will you be consistent with your own suggestions of how Bill should run his site? One can only hope. Not that I am asking you to leave. Oh no. That would be a violation and a personal attack. So I will not. |
Winston Smith | 01 Jun 2015 11:31 a.m. PST |
I should make a poll suggestion. "Should telling Dear Editor in Chief how to run his joint be a DH offense?" |
etotheipi | 01 Jun 2015 11:34 a.m. PST |
Help me understand things. Have a sock puppet account and get your account locked. Fair enough. AND YET, the OFM is up front about having a sock puppet in Winston Smith and both post regularly. What gives? Read the actual TMP TOS about what constitutes a sock puppet and what does not, rather than just overlaying your personal definition. Per Da Rules, having more than one account is not just allowed, but in some ways encouraged. The example given last time I read the rules is a user might want one "persona" when posting for their business and another posting as "Citizen John/Jane". Another acceptable use might be having different accounts for posting to different boards that reflect different personas, f'r'ex, posting as Magus Extremus on the Fantasy boards and Unit 1352 on the SciFi boards. There is no requirement to announce such different personas, nor is it forbidden to do so. What is not allowed is behaviour where one person uses multiple accounts to create the illusion of consensus. Sock puppetry, per the TMP definition would be making a post, then coming back later to agree with yourself or ask leading questions to yourself using one or more different accounts that appear to be different users. The fact that our aged and flatulent character from 1984 announces his different personas obviates his ability to violate the sock puppet rule. |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 01 Jun 2015 11:37 a.m. PST |
I was talking ABOUT you, OMF's Sock Puppet, not TO you. Please learn the difference…. |
Winston Smith | 01 Jun 2015 11:47 a.m. PST |
Oh. My apologies. I guess I am not allowed to reply. My bad. |
Tango India Mike | 01 Jun 2015 11:50 a.m. PST |
To TrenchRaider (not winston) Calm down, dear. It's just a forum. (With apologies to Michael Winner) Here's an idea for you Trench. Why not just let Bill run his site how he sees fit. I know you're new and all "hot to trot" and you know the best and only way to run a forum but if you knew anything hitting the complain button sometimes requires weeks or months of waiting for a response. Toodles. |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 01 Jun 2015 12:14 p.m. PST |
>>>Oh. My apologies. I guess I am not allowed to reply. My bad. Cool. You're finally learning your place. That's a great start. ;-) |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 01 Jun 2015 12:18 p.m. PST |
>>>I know you're new and all "hot to trot" Actually, I'm not new. I've been registered since 2006 and was reading the site unregistered before that. I just hate the fact that TMP has really gone down hill and become a troll's playground. It's even worse in that the decline can really be laid at the feet of just a small handful (less than half a dozen) of chronic problem children. But you are right. It is Armintrout's site and in the end he's going to run it the way he sees fit…as he should, it's private property after all. I probably should just let it go. Ah well. |
Tango India Mike | 01 Jun 2015 12:40 p.m. PST |
fair nuff. You mighty notice I don't post that regular. I agree. It has gone downhill. |
B6GOBOS | 01 Jun 2015 1:52 p.m. PST |
Trenchy I understand you are a law and order type of guy but who made you hall monitor around here? I mean wassup with the attack on John the OFM? He is a stand-up guy who contributes a good deal to many boards (especially American Rev War). He shares a lot of good common sense advice on gaming, organization and uniforms of forces. I look forward to his posts. To me he contributes a lot to the place and if gone a poorer place it would be. You on the other hand toss bombs out there like your comments on transsexuals or who is a troll and then act innocent when called on your actions. Due to your actions at least one member is gone (although I am happy to see him on another war game site). Fact is you are not the big law dawg here. |
Cyrus the Great | 01 Jun 2015 2:10 p.m. PST |
Talk about bringing your job home with you! |
etotheipi | 01 Jun 2015 3:29 p.m. PST |
it's private property after all. It's a business and made generally available to public access, so it is a place of public accommodation rather private property. |
Cyrus the Great | 01 Jun 2015 3:29 p.m. PST |
"All TMPer's are equal, but some are more equal than others"
Run Snowball, run! |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 01 Jun 2015 4:12 p.m. PST |
B6GOBOS- >>> I mean wassup (sic) with the attack on John the OFM? I think he's a negative influence on the site and that Armintrout made a huge mistake by allowing him back after he got (correctly) banned. >>>>who contributes a good deal to many boards (especially American Rev War). He shares a lot of good common sense advice on gaming, organization and uniforms of forces. Sure. On the 18th century boards, he's a productive and helpful guy. But as they say, you don't crap were you eat. On most of the rest of the site, he is a . >>> Due to your actions at least one member is gone (although I am happy to see him on another war game site). Oh, and he had nothing to do with that whole fiasco? Please. In any event, good riddance. Rebelyell2006 was a punk with a chip on his shoulder and an all around bad attitude. There is a good reason he was near the top of the stifle list back when they were visible. I'm not the only one that's glad he is gone. (and before anyone wastes their time reporting the above, the punk in question is no longer a member of this forum. Therefore he is not protected by the forum rules.) Dito Tango 1 2-
>>>What behaviour pattern are you talking about? You seem to be saying all nice people act out on the internet. Can you explain further? I've been over this before. But pretty much everyone is harsher to some extent or another online than they are in person. I'm even guilty of it. But some folks actively abuse the disconnect and relative anonymity of the 'net to act out in ways they would never dream of in person. (ie trolls) Thus my comment that I have been told (by someone who claims to know) that OFM is actually a decent human being in person. Does that help? |
B6GOBOS | 01 Jun 2015 4:41 p.m. PST |
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Editor in Chief Bill | 01 Jun 2015 5:31 p.m. PST |
I think he's a negative influence on the site and that Armintrout made a huge mistake by allowing him back after he got (correctly) banned. The OFM is one of the most beloved characters on TMP. And he annoys some people. He knows the forum rules, and even reports himself if he thinks he's violated a rule. |
Slappy | 01 Jun 2015 7:46 p.m. PST |
Frankly all this dosh about Sock puppets reflects the real issue aside from one I can think of how many TMP members have targeted Frothers Forums? Yet TMP has constant "attacks" by these individuals. |
Alfred Adler does the Hobby | 01 Jun 2015 8:43 p.m. PST |
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Alfred Adler does the Hobby | 01 Jun 2015 8:54 p.m. PST |
Wow… Does that person really have a bad temper? -yuk! Also sorta hard to follow, have to read it couple times. LOL A great scholar once said one never looses their temper- they give it away. |
alien BLOODY HELL surfer | 02 Jun 2015 2:50 a.m. PST |
you know, the most unpleasant person on here (TMP) at the moment is certainly not John the OFM. |
JezEger | 02 Jun 2015 5:32 a.m. PST |
Trenchraider wrote: "I think he's a negative influence on the site " My irony meter just blew up. Anyone got one for sale or trade, I have some unpainted lead I could swap. |
Winston Smith | 02 Jun 2015 7:29 a.m. PST |
I want to start the day on a positive note. Just to show I have no hard feelings, Trench Raider, can you please link to some TMP threads that are wargame related where you have positively contributed? It can be anything. The color of the Templar Grandmaster's horse at Hattin. Soviet tank slogans in the drive on Berlin. How Hungarian regiments in the SYW differed in organization from Austrian Germans. Flags for the Waldeck regiment in the AWI. What color to paint mufflers on the Sherman tank. Favorite rules for Jutland. Things like that. Just link to anything wargaming related you have contributed. |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 02 Jun 2015 7:53 a.m. PST |
>>>The OFM is one of the most beloved characters on TMP I blame Stolkholm Syndrome… ;-) As to the annoying buzzing noise coming from a post at 07:29 PST….
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B6GOBOS | 02 Jun 2015 8:00 a.m. PST |
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Aubrey | 02 Jun 2015 8:19 a.m. PST |
I can't work this out. Either I've been smoking something pretty powerful or someone else has. |
John the OFM | 02 Jun 2015 8:28 a.m. PST |
Since you seem to be so cognizant of Forum Rules… :
How about calling them a troll? No name calling. Even if you think they are trolling. [TROLL RULE] From the FAQ TMP linkSince this is a clear violation of Forum rules, may I suggest that you hit the complaint button yourself? You seem to be very good at that. Then I suggest that you consider yourself a repeat serial offender of forum rules. Do the Right Thing. |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 02 Jun 2015 9:14 a.m. PST |
Nice try. When I actually say "OFM is a troll" or "OFM, you are a troll" you might have a point. Run along now. |
John the OFM | 02 Jun 2015 9:35 a.m. PST |
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Dave Arrowsmith | 02 Jun 2015 9:45 a.m. PST |
Hey JezEger I could really use some unpainted lead but your never gonna guess what, my irony meter blew at just the same time as yours, now is that wierd or what ?. |
etotheipi | 02 Jun 2015 9:55 a.m. PST |
When I actually say "OFM is a troll" or "OFM, you are a troll" you might have a point. That is certainly a kindergarten (or FCC) point of view on how your post relates to the rule. |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 02 Jun 2015 10:34 a.m. PST |
>>>Oh, you're so cute Sorry, OFM. You may swing that way, but that's not my kink. Sorry to disappoint. This is getting stupid and we are clearly not going to get along. So I'll extend the same offer I did to Rebelyell2006 before that troll ran off. Stifle me (on both your primary account and you sock puppets) and I'll return the favor. That will end this for good and that will spare the forum from us causing further irritation with our spat. You going to do the right thing? |
Dave Arrowsmith | 02 Jun 2015 10:48 a.m. PST |
I get the feeling that some people will cause irritation just by being, unless of cause the entire TMP community stifles them. |
Winston Smith | 02 Jun 2015 10:48 a.m. PST |
Are you related to Lagartija Mike? |
Winston Smith | 02 Jun 2015 10:53 a.m. PST |
You are exactly the sort I do not want to stifle. I know you will continue to attack me at the drop of a hat and if I stifle you I won't know to respond. To put it bluntly, I do not trust you enough to stifle you. If you want to pretend you are being the noble one here, there is one thing to do. Stop going after me, stop reporting every petty thing I do and then bragging about it. You leave me alone and stop being who you are. That will end it. Whatever "it" is. |
Patrick Sexton | 02 Jun 2015 10:54 a.m. PST |
John is certainly not a troll(trying to say that you didn't call him one is unbecoming) and I for one am glad that he returned a couple/few years ago. His only actual crime is that he does not like Steely Dan. Granted, that is a HUGE crime… |
Winston Smith | 02 Jun 2015 10:57 a.m. PST |
…for which I am unapologetic. |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 02 Jun 2015 11:06 a.m. PST |
So you want to continue disrupting the forum. I thought as much. And you wonder why I consider you a ….. I made a good faith effort and you rejected it. That says loads. |
Winston Smith | 02 Jun 2015 11:23 a.m. PST |
You are the one disrupting the forum. My only contribution is to reply to you. If it makes you feel better, go ahead and stifle me. Us. |
BlackWidowPilot | 02 Jun 2015 11:23 a.m. PST |
I still want a John the OFM, 15mm figure to lead my Soviet Army !!!!! Now THIS is an idea whose time has come…. or at least a visibly recognizable 28mm head and 15mm head suitable for converting figures so we can all have our own John the OFM personality figure in our favorite army or armies…
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JezEger | 02 Jun 2015 11:30 a.m. PST |
From the FAQ: How about calling them a troll? No name calling. Even if you think they are trolling. [TROLL RULE] Isn't this still a rule, or do we allow anyone to come on here with their personal dislikes and call anyone they don't like a troll? |
B6GOBOS | 02 Jun 2015 11:31 a.m. PST |
Are you on a sugar high trenchraider? I know cops like donuts but too much sugars can cause children to act irrationality. Like you are acting towards John. Give it a rest please…. |
Dave Arrowsmith | 02 Jun 2015 12:34 p.m. PST |
Hi again JezEger, I have already hit the complaint button twice on another thread because of Trench calling people trolls, and nothing was done. I suspect he his one of Bill's "Special ones". |
JezEger | 02 Jun 2015 12:35 p.m. PST |
"Special" was certainly a word that came to mind. |