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martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Mar 2015 1:03 p.m. PST

Peter Pig dark ages Irish. 9th century before the normans etc. Suggestions about composition and clothing!!
To go with PP "Wrath of the Vikings" rules.

thanks

martin

Martian Root Canal03 Mar 2015 1:11 p.m. PST

Try this:

picture

There are quite a few nice pics out there if you just Google dark age Irish.

Oh Bugger03 Mar 2015 3:18 p.m. PST

Composition would be Kings and their household, Nobles and the free farmers of the clans. You could also have Fianna bands who lived outside of organised society but were often hired by Kings. The Church often associated the Fianna bands with pre Christian Warrior cults Brig Ambu sort of thing. There does seem to have been a special hair cut.

So Kings and Nobles and their immediate followers are very good troops. The clansmen are part timers and the Fianna bands are feasome indeed.

Viking subject allies are always possible too.

The Irish enjoyed many victories against the Vikings once they got over the initial shock.

They also seem to have adopted Viking weapons quite quickly incuding bigger shields.

I suspect armour would have been in use by the rich lads.

I'll post something on clothing later.

Khusrau04 Mar 2015 12:52 a.m. PST

They had what were essentially 'sumptuary laws' about clothing colours, Neldoreth has some good stuff IIRC

link

martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Mar 2015 2:49 a.m. PST

This is all very helpful
thanks
martin

Oh Bugger04 Mar 2015 4:15 a.m. PST

OK clothes.

Trews close fitting rather than trousers. Full length rather than at the knee.

Leine shirt long sleeves reaching to mid thigh when belted.

Brat Cloak reaching too mid thigh but could be much longer. The Brat could be tufted and had a 'fur collar' made of woolen strands stiffened to give a fur like appearance.

Any combination of the above could be worn.

Lots of bling for the nobles.

The haircut associated with the warrior cults had a cropped or shaved crown and was long every where else. Tokens could be tied in the long hair.

Robert Burke04 Mar 2015 9:38 a.m. PST

I had my Irish SAGA army painted in the UK last year (just in time for the 1,000 anniversary of the Battle of Clontarf). Here are some notes that I got from the painter's husband.

Flesh would be light – use Cote D'arms Flesh and GW elf flesh for the majority also Vallejo medium flesh and dark flesh (which isn't dark) –– Clontarf took place in April 1014 – little chance of sun tans by that time of year so avoid sunny skin tone and tanned flesh although Tallin Flesh would do for a couple as some Irish are quite dark skinned/swarthy – I think a hangover from the "little people under the hills" the indigenous Brits.

Hair colouring – mostly dark – black/battlegrey/granite/negro then some mid browns Celtic mousey brown no more than 10% with ginger and blonde hair – Viking influence only just being felt.

Tunics – most figures have tunics – the upper classes would be lighter colours bright is good as they would be linen – which doesn't take darker colours well – Iversun Yellow would relate to the saffron – although that's from a couple of hundred years later. – embroidered hems and also cuffs and colours – for the upper classes these could be darker colours as embroidery.

The lower classes, levies, and some warriors tunics would be duller or simply Cote D'arms Linen, GW bleached bone as undyed bleached linen also Rotting Flesh = unbleached wool and some of the tan colours simple dye stuff or undyed natural fibres – blacks, browns, off-whites.

Other known colours are blue green and red so there is some colours present.
Yellow white and black may be prevalent for warriors/levy – for white I'd go with the bleached bone colours – yellow more the iversun Yellow and black – so dark greys would do as washed many times tunics but we don't really know –

Cloaks
Two types the brat – small semi circular – colours for this are purple, crimson, green, black, blue, yellow, grey, dun – also can be gallic type cheques or even stripes
And furry

Trousers (or trews) – lower class chaps again
Some trews could be striped.
Shields –as usual just do with white face and add LBM transfers – bosses in order of likelihood brass bronze then iron.

Warlords
Named character – Brian Boru – surprisingly no recorded descriptions – we know he is old over 70 or even 80 at Clontarf – so could do white hair. Possibly dressed as priest but not conclusive also begs the question what does an 11th century Irish priest look like.

I fancied green cloak with purple border – orange tunic (Vallejo bright orange) with white border as that blends in the Irish flag colours with the Noble purple but is a bit bright for a priest.

Irish Warlord
High class chap follow upper class instructions

Wolfhounds – surprising variety of colours a modern set of acceptable colours (well to the American Kennel club are "grey, brindle, red, black, pure white, fawn, wheaten and steel grey).

Levy
Covered above – tunicked chaps some with rough cloaks – lack of shoes
Speartips would be chainmail.

martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Mar 2015 3:03 p.m. PST

All this gives great set

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tanks

martin

Oh Bugger04 Mar 2015 6:02 p.m. PST

I should say that Nobles clothes would be heavily embroidered.

Oh and on hair colour blond hair was a traditional atribute of the Irish aristocracy from back to prehistoric times and red hair did not come in with the Vikings. Quite a bit of it about in Ireland from the get go.

As far a 'levy' goes really poor Gaels were not allowed to fight. The military cut off point stops with the free farmers of the clans.

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