| serge joe | 02 Mar 2015 10:19 a.m. PST |
Hi,I know lannes and murat hated each others guts! but What about rhe others? greetings serge joe |
| 138SquadronRAF | 02 Mar 2015 10:50 a.m. PST |
Bernadotte hated everyone. St. Cyr was an introvert and his only real friend seems to have been Desaix. |
| Marcel1809 | 02 Mar 2015 10:54 a.m. PST |
If we can believe Marbot, Lannes and Bessières almost came to blows (or duel) during the battle of Aspern Essling, this was just before Lannes got hit by a canonball |
| MajorB | 02 Mar 2015 12:07 p.m. PST |
Read any good books lately, Serge Joe? TMP link |
| Mick the Metalsmith | 02 Mar 2015 12:07 p.m. PST |
Soult was never the most cooperative in Spain. |
| serge joe | 02 Mar 2015 12:40 p.m. PST |
Major B your link ends inan error! serge joe |
| serge joe | 02 Mar 2015 12:48 p.m. PST |
Major B why
picking on me?
O K a lot of reading stil trying to get though it al serge joe |
 deadhead  | 02 Mar 2015 12:49 p.m. PST |
Was not the big problem just what Serge Joe is suggesting? They did not co-operate, they competed. It was a different era then, when one's personal reputation (La Gloire) counted more than the national interest. They would let another Marshall be defeated, rather than come to the rescue, unless it somehow served their own cause. Friendship certainly was not a factor….. Maybe that was the kind of personality which did rise to such dizzy heights in a "meritocracy" where, we are told, every grenadier had a baton in his knapsack! |
| serge joe | 02 Mar 2015 12:54 p.m. PST |
So lannes was the most hot headed one? greetings serge joe |
| Marcel1809 | 02 Mar 2015 1:02 p.m. PST |
Masséna was very displeased with both soult and Ney in the peninsular as they did not help him when he asked for support.
Soult and Grouchy were on particular bad terms after Waterloo especially as it was soult who opposed him being re instated (or atleast payed) as a marshal after 1821.
Apparantly maréchal Lefebvre was a good friend of Masséna especially in the early years of the empire. |
| serge joe | 02 Mar 2015 1:04 p.m. PST |
Did napoleon blamed lost battle with the marshals disliking each other op was he smart do not do this greetings serge joe |
 ochoin | 02 Mar 2015 1:08 p.m. PST |
Is this the best book on Napoleon's marshals? link I know of no others. |
| serge joe | 02 Mar 2015 1:27 p.m. PST |
dear ochoin
This kind of answer looks normal to me thanks for the link greetings serge joe |
| MajorB | 02 Mar 2015 2:03 p.m. PST |
Major B your link ends inan error! serge joe That may have been because of the site indexing problem earlier. Works fine now. |
| MajorB | 02 Mar 2015 2:04 p.m. PST |
Is this the best book on Napoleon's marshals? Excellent suggestion. Maybe our friend SJ will read it … |
| MajorB | 02 Mar 2015 2:10 p.m. PST |
OK a lot of reading still trying to get though it all serge joe Perhaps you would be best advised to carry on with your reading first and then ask your questions. |
| Vintage Wargaming | 02 Mar 2015 7:08 p.m. PST |
Ochoin, no A G Macdonell then? |
| ochoin | 02 Mar 2015 8:04 p.m. PST |
@ VW I actually own a copy of "England, Their England" but never knew he wrote a book on N.'s marshals. There you go: any good? |
| Vintage Wargaming | 02 Mar 2015 8:06 p.m. PST |
Yes a good read – written in the 30s I think |
| Meiczyslaw | 02 Mar 2015 8:51 p.m. PST |
On a related note, Mark Urban ends up covering French infighting in Spain as one of the things revealed by English code-breaking. See link |
| serge joe | 03 Mar 2015 4:44 a.m. PST |
Major B
why
picking on me? Like i said before i am stil that perfect far from that!!O K a lot of reading stil trying to get though it al serge joe!!! |
| serge joe | 03 Mar 2015 4:47 a.m. PST |
Major B
Your link works o.k. now! best to you serge joe |
| 1ngram | 03 Mar 2015 5:06 a.m. PST |
And, of course, there is Vandamme who was never made a Marshal, but should have been (and he was pretty miffed about that!) He seemingly didn't get on with any of the others, so much so that Napoleon sent him to serve under Davout initially in 1813 because he knew the latter would stand no nonsense from Vandamme. The two best comments from the Emperor about Vandamme were that if he invaded Hell he would have Vandamme command the vanguard and that if he had two of him he would have to shoot one of them to stop them falling out with each other. Vandamme was, however, well liked by the German troops he commanded in 1806/7 and 1809 (Wurtemburgers) and was arguably the only Corps commander in 1813 to perform up to scratch even if if did get him captured and his Corps largely destroyed at Kulm. If Napoleon had had more Vandammes in 1813 . . . . . |
| Supercilius Maximus | 03 Mar 2015 5:47 a.m. PST |
If we can believe Marbot, Lannes and Bessières almost came to blows (or duel) during the battle of Aspern Essling, this was just before Lannes got hit by a cannonball. I'd have definitely had the Gendarmerie d'Elite de la Garde looking into that one. |
| Dave Jackson | 03 Mar 2015 9:02 a.m. PST |
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| deadhead | 03 Mar 2015 9:16 a.m. PST |
That is a good list! The March of the Twenty Six, I no longer have, but recall it fondly. Was it not also by Delderfield? |
| Murvihill | 03 Mar 2015 10:58 a.m. PST |
Despots traditionally encourage competition among their suboordinates. You can't plot against the king if you're too busy plotting against everyone else. |
| ochoin | 03 Mar 2015 1:00 p.m. PST |
Despots? It seems to be a tactic of Prime Ministers & Presidents in contemporary Democracies. |
| The Emperors Own | 03 Mar 2015 1:26 p.m. PST |
I don't think I would have  ed Augereau off …. He was a pro Dualist having killed some 40 men .. not Including the 32 wounds he recieved in 20 years of war if I remember correct |
| OSchmidt | 03 Mar 2015 2:08 p.m. PST |
Despotisms or democracies- doesn't matter. Whoever controls the promotion chain will automatically encourage rivalry and animosity and thereby friction and faction. Remember God? the whole thing with Satan? As for the marshals, most of them had no talent, no initiative, and no real smarts. A few did but not many. If they did we would be calling the "Lannesian Wars" or the "Augereauic wars." or the "Oudinotian Wars." |
| ubercommando | 03 Mar 2015 4:18 p.m. PST |
Apparently Mortier got on with most of the other Marshalls. Not having a superego probably helped. |
| 138SquadronRAF | 03 Mar 2015 9:06 p.m. PST |
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| 138SquadronRAF | 03 Mar 2015 9:08 p.m. PST |
Apparently Mortier got on with most of the other Marshalls. Mortier seems to have been a pleasant and easy going man. |
| serge joe | 04 Mar 2015 9:52 a.m. PST |
What about ney and so callled old man davoust? greetings serge joe |
goes to sea with the Terrain Mat.
