Marc the plastics fan | 27 Feb 2015 4:34 a.m. PST |
Struggling to find some basic details, so any helpful advice greatfully received please: (I am doing foot artillery) Gunners' cuffs – black, or black with red piping – have seen both Hats – with white lace or not? Collars – plain black I believe Equipment (ie ram rods, tral spikes etc) – raw wood or blue? Again, I have seen both. Train drivers – plumes, white or black/white? Horses – is harness buff (like French) or black/dark brown – struggled to find a period illustration. Seen several guides for later uniforms, but this early period is causing me a headache on what i thought would be straightforward (after all, artillery is not exactly esoteric is it). Anyway, thanks for any help you may be able to give me. Thanks Marc |
VonBlucher | 27 Feb 2015 5:40 a.m. PST |
Gunners' Cuffs – Black Hats – White Lace Collars – Plain Black I did the equipement in raw wood Train Drivers – white Plume Horse Harness – Black I don't have my books handy as I'm at work but I'm going by how I painted mine, as I have quite allot of info on the Prussian Army of the period. Granted these were mostly painted 15 years ago though. Here's a link to where Paul has posted some of my Prussians. Take note though the Horse Artillery Coats are too light as I did this on purpose though. link I'm sure vW might have more to add to this if he sees this post. John
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grenadier corporal | 27 Feb 2015 6:43 a.m. PST |
As far as I remember doing mine the red piping on the black cuffs would be correct for horse artillery. |
Marc the plastics fan | 27 Feb 2015 9:27 a.m. PST |
I had seen red piping, but horse artillery makes sense in that context. My word, these are going to be dour little chaps compared to their French counterparts aren't they – all black and blue. Cheers guys – all thanks |
VonBlucher | 27 Feb 2015 10:10 a.m. PST |
Horse Artillery all of the following – Collar, Cuffs, Lapels, and Turnbacks are Black piped red. Still waiting on vW to add anything though. John |
von Winterfeldt | 27 Feb 2015 10:36 a.m. PST |
We had this discussion before, see TMP archives there are two superb plates in the ASK Brown collection one for horse artillery and one for foot artillery, of the famous Döppler plates which are fantastic Here the link link the neck stock is red for both of them, according to Döppler and I would go for the details provided the collar of horse artillery was not piped in red.
Also I am not that positive about the black turnbacks for Horse artillery, they seem to be dark blue (for me) but as like for cavalry edged with a black band and this is piped red on both sides . Horse artillery gunners did wear collets like the cavalry. All this is for 1806 of course before that the uniforms changed a bit. As for the equipment, I have two versions of Döppler – one shows natural wood (ASK Brown) the other light blue as for artillery wood work. The lace on the hats is very narrow and white for the foot gunners but golden for the officers – horse artillery (both officers and gunners )has no hat lace – all shown very well at the Döppler plates. |
von Winterfeldt | 27 Feb 2015 10:43 a.m. PST |
As for artillery train etc. also our kind friends from ASK supply this superb plate link Here you will see hore artillery train, my guess for foot artillery train would be – no plumes – but this is guess work |
von Winterfeldt | 27 Feb 2015 11:31 a.m. PST |
a tip, when looking at the plates one can enlarge them quite a lot – and then one can do very nice downloads of details, and Döppler is very good – very fine plates. |
Oliver Schmidt | 27 Feb 2015 11:37 a.m. PST |
A semi-official description of the artillery uniforms here (in German only): link It is from 1804, but I also checked the 1806 edition (pp. 173 ff.), which is identical to the letter. |
von Winterfeldt | 27 Feb 2015 11:50 a.m. PST |
the text supports my theory Prussian Horse artillery – of dark blue turn backs with a black band edge red (officers full red turn backs), Pallasch in that context of course the artillery Pallasch. |
von Winterfeldt | 27 Feb 2015 11:59 a.m. PST |
"Here's a link to where Paul has posted some of my Prussians. Take note though the Horse Artillery Coats are too light as I did this on purpose though." They look spot on, stunning work, congratulations |
Marc the plastics fan | 27 Feb 2015 2:07 p.m. PST |
vW – thanks for that link – I could not find the older TMP threads, but this has sorted my questions. The early period does seem hard (in English sources?) to find decent info, so TMP to the rescue again. As I said before – many thanks. |