"Lancers Czapka Pink Facings, French banner?" Topic
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Chalfant | 23 Feb 2015 4:05 p.m. PST |
Howdie. I am trying to id a unit of painted miniatures. Czapka, what looks to me like a French uniform, pink facings, pink and white pennons, and French flag. I thought maybe Poles, but the French flag seems wrong then. Thanks for the help, forgive my ignorance :) Chalfant |
xxxxxxx | 23 Feb 2015 4:22 p.m. PST |
"Pink" like this :
link I think it is more "raspberry" than "pink". If yes, then you have the famous 1er régiment de chevau-légers lanciers de la garde impériale (polonias). There was briefly also a 3e régiment, also Poles. The 2e lanciers de la garde were ex-Dutch and wore red faced dark blue. - Sasha |
SJDonovan | 23 Feb 2015 4:23 p.m. PST |
Possibly Polish lancers of the Guard? Edit: Sasha beat me to it! |
Ligniere | 23 Feb 2015 5:35 p.m. PST |
Possibly Berg Lancers – Murat influenced their uniform. Initially white later green with pink (amaranthe) facings. |
Chalfant | 23 Feb 2015 5:45 p.m. PST |
"Rasberry" might be right… its not a "hot pink" or a light pink, but its not red either. SO that is a strong possibility (given a little artistic license from the painter)… ok, that helps a bunch, thanks! BTW, they definitely do look like Berg Lancers, except the uniform is dark blue, not green. Thanks again. Chalfant |
Chalfant | 23 Feb 2015 5:55 p.m. PST |
Looking specifically for the 1st Regiment Light Lancers of the Guard or 1er régiment de chevau-légers lanciers de la garde impériale , I'm seeing enough images to say that is definitely who they are. Chalfant |
Joe Fish | 23 Feb 2015 6:07 p.m. PST |
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Extrabio1947 | 23 Feb 2015 6:35 p.m. PST |
Polish Lancers of the Imperial Guard. The officer's shabraque is a giveaway. The colors are a bit washed out, but it's Polish Crimson. |
Brechtel198 | 23 Feb 2015 6:44 p.m. PST |
Polish Crimson is the correct color. The lance pennons were also of silk because of the Guard status of the regiment. B |
xxxxxxx | 23 Feb 2015 11:59 p.m. PST |
Kevin, "Polish Crimson is the correct color." This identification strikes me as a bit odd. Where did you find it? To the French, the color was described as simply "cramoisi". See the memoires of the general comte Zaluski (the parts about unforms nicely collated in the Carnet de la sabretache Vol. 4, available here : link ) and, of course, Rembowski's "Sources documentaires ….", T. i (1899). The original organizing decree of 6 avril 1807 (oddly missing from the Rembowski, does not mention uniforms (see : link ). In Polish, the color is "karmazyn" – which is more of a cognate to "carmine" in English, see the Polish version of the Rebowski, "Źródła do historyi pułku polskiego lekkokonnego Gwardyi ….". Or the description of the Polish national flag, etc. So, where do we learn that the "correct color" is "Polish crimson"? ============ "The lance pennons were also of silk because of the Guard status of the regiment." Well, the same question, I suppose. Where did you find this? As to the pennants, I can ony find their material referred to as laine de Blicourt, a tight-knit wool serge material. The only mention I could find of silk pennons was in a project for a uniform decree for the Dutch Lancers in 1813. See : link . This was to be a second parade, item. It is unclear that the project was ever adopted, and if adopted that it included a special parade pennon. Also, it was for a different regiment, Dutch not Polish. So, where did you find information about the Polish lancers using silk pennons? Thanks, - Sasha |
Major Bloodnok | 24 Feb 2015 5:37 a.m. PST |
I used to have a pot of Humbrol called "Polish Crimson" which pretty well matches the facing colour being discussed. Whether it is still available I have no idea. |
DHautpol | 24 Feb 2015 6:11 a.m. PST |
It came from the Humbrol Authenics range of enamal paints; the range has long been discontinued. They also had "British Crimson" so Humbrol may have coined "Polish Crimson" themselves to distinguish the two colours. At the time I was sufficiently young and unexperienced to accept what the label said. |
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