John the OFM | 20 Feb 2015 8:30 p.m. PST |
I don't mind painting tartan. In fact I rather enjoy it. But I HATE painting diagonally patterned diced hose that wrap around the leg. Please give me permission to stop painting diced hose! |
spontoon | 20 Feb 2015 9:02 p.m. PST |
Some might have worn hose cut with the pattern at 90 degrees, or use barelegged figs! |
spontoon | 20 Feb 2015 9:02 p.m. PST |
I use pens/markers whenever possible for hose. |
Winston Smith | 20 Feb 2015 11:06 p.m. PST |
How about just plain colored socks? |
Doug MSC | 20 Feb 2015 11:22 p.m. PST |
You must endure the diced hose! No way around it! |
wrgmr1 | 20 Feb 2015 11:42 p.m. PST |
I Second Spontoon…..fine tips ink pens. |
Der Alte Fritz | 21 Feb 2015 12:46 a.m. PST |
If you have to ask, then you already know the answer to that question. |
Doctor X | 21 Feb 2015 3:18 a.m. PST |
Also a Micron pen fan for depicting fine hosiery. |
Chalfant | 21 Feb 2015 5:18 a.m. PST |
You could cheat…. paint the sock white, then just apply dots of red arranged in a pattern. Doesn't have to be great, certainly doesn't have to be true diamonds/lozenges at all, just little dots, your eye will naturally view it as the correct pattern. Try it on a piece of cardboard for practice. Then again, all the advice for pens makes sense too, much easier to control than a brush. Chalfant |
zippyfusenet | 21 Feb 2015 6:30 a.m. PST |
Are they regulation King's Highlanders, or just some clan mob? Highland troops were derisively known as 'redshanks' for their bare, chapped legs. They were said to scratch themselves a lot, too. |
John the OFM | 21 Feb 2015 7:46 a.m. PST |
These are Jacobites, for a Sword and the Haggis game. |
Jeigheff | 21 Feb 2015 9:05 a.m. PST |
In an old issue of "Campaigns" magazine, I recall seeing some photos of AWI reenactors. A Scottish soldier (42nd? 71st? Royal Highland Emmigrants? I forget) was photographed wearing a kilt, bonnet, etc., who was wearing plain white stockings. Why on earth do I remember this? Probably because of some Scots I was painting at the time, and because I was looking for any reason not to paint diced stockings. |
John the OFM | 21 Feb 2015 9:55 a.m. PST |
EVERYONE wants excuses to not paint diced stockings! I recently found out here on TMP that the diced band on the bonnet was a military thing, and dating very late. That was relatively easy to paint. PLEASE tell me that diced hose is (are?) similar. |
enfant perdus | 21 Feb 2015 10:15 a.m. PST |
PLEASE tell me that diced hose is (are?) similar. Good and bad news. The red and white diced hose are a military thing, although relatively early. For your Jacobites, if they're gentlemanly enough to have hose, those hose are going to be tartan, and knit on the bias. |
spontoon | 21 Feb 2015 12:32 p.m. PST |
The tartan "socks ' of the era are "stockings" not "hose" usually. That means they are made of stitched pieces of tartan broadcloth. Usually cut on the bias as this makes them stretch more. Hose are knit garments and were not as common, especially in tartan or dicing. Today hose are more common. The benefit of machine knitting. So, pretty much all tartan clad troops of whatever sort will be in tartan or diced stockings. Pick a simple one ( ie. two colours) and use technical pens or fine artists markers. AND remember; non-military tartan clad types will have as many tartans in their suit of clothing as they can get away with!!! |
John the OFM | 21 Feb 2015 12:47 p.m. PST |
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Zargon | 21 Feb 2015 1:46 p.m. PST |
I'm all for you painting them in black with yellow vertical lines :) (can't wait to see your opponents faces:) and you have to actually poka dot their kilts. Cheers happy gaming BTW I use a. X diagonal dot pattern, much easier than doing the actual lines and I do government ones in a pinkish colour not red, works for me (the eye sort of links it all up. |
Pirate1900 | 21 Feb 2015 6:05 p.m. PST |
I use a "Zig" ink pen 01, it's waterproof, has never bleed in my use. Goool luck OFM. |
piper909 | 21 Feb 2015 11:10 p.m. PST |
Sorry, OFM! There is no escaping this particular Purgatory, as some other well informed posters above have noted. Diced hose were pretty much de rigeur for Jacks (or loyalist militia lacking uniforms) and military issue for regulars. Any reenactor wearing modern white or off-white daywear kilt hose should receive a severe dressing-down from his sergeant. |
42flanker | 22 Feb 2015 6:38 a.m. PST |
er, don't clothe them in the kilt? 1758-1795, even as late as 1812, Highlander troops regularly wore breeches or trowzers in the field. |
Winston Smith | 22 Feb 2015 7:46 a.m. PST |
Nice but I have had the figures for years, over 200 kilted Jacobites. Painting the hose has been holding them up for years. |
42flanker | 22 Feb 2015 4:38 p.m. PST |
Ah, the power of denial. The bullet must be bitten…. Or you could have them marching through knee-high undergrowth…. Not that Jacobites wore dicing of red and white, (and some fought in bare feet).
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Supercilius Maximus | 23 Feb 2015 12:37 a.m. PST |
That's the price you pay for having Highlanders as part of your "Cornwallis All Stars" army. |
42flanker | 23 Feb 2015 3:25 a.m. PST |
They are intrepid, accustomed to a rough country, and no great mischief if they fall, |
Tabletopndice | 23 Feb 2015 3:03 p.m. PST |
Sorry Dude..I did it…drove me nuts..24 figs all painted hose red and white…you have to pay the consequences of having kilted troops and paint the hose….. I have to admit that the result is pretty nice. I do not profess to be an artist, but you will be really happy when the punishment is done. Good luck.! regards. |
spontoon | 23 Feb 2015 6:25 p.m. PST |
I've done hundreds of figs with diced hose. Not that bad once you've had some practice. |
Fridericus | 27 Feb 2015 10:14 a.m. PST |
Of course, you should – at least if they are British regiments. It's a bit boring, but not too difficult. Just remember: the hose are not knit, but sewn. So the stripes meet at the back of the kalf. Begin at the centre of the front and paint a stripe in a pinkish colou around the leg to the back, then start a line in the other direction. And so on. It you like you can then paint the crossings of the lines with a red dot, same colour as the garters. It sounds more complicated than it is. Have a look at my attempt: link |
piper909 | 01 Mar 2015 12:30 a.m. PST |
I have decided that tartan or diced hose is child's play next to prison stripes. I just completed a pack of five Pulp-era prisoners on a chain gang, and elected to paint classic black and white stripes rather than prison greys. They look terrific, but it was tedious in the extreme. I painted the outfits white first, did some minimal shading, then did the black stripes. It took me on average 30 minutes per figure JUST to paint the stripes. I had to use a thin brush, take my time, and remix the paint frequently and clean my brush as it gummed up. And I had to do a separate stage for the cap, collar, shirt front, shirt back, sleeves, and trousers. I wouldn't want to do this again for more than one figure at a time. Worse than tartans!! I could paint a pair of hose AND kilt in less time. And I'd throw in the plaid. |
Major Bloodnok | 11 Apr 2015 2:51 a.m. PST |
Rather late on this one. Next time you do Jacobites or the Argyll Militia (Campbells)for that matter, forget the red and white diced hose. All you have to do is paint bias tartan, any tartan will do, the whole clan tartan business is an invention of the Highland Revival. Some paintings of the era show castlelated hose tops. You can see some wearing a belted plaid (not a kilt) in one 'tartan', a waistcoat in another, the coat/jacket in a third, and often cut on the bias. |
spontoon | 02 May 2015 5:11 p.m. PST |
Getting back to the original question…Yes. You SHOULD paint all the highlanders in diced hose,…and you know in your heart you SHOULD! |