| nevinsrip | 20 Feb 2015 1:50 p.m. PST |
I've got 2 flagbeareres in my 36 man unit of the P.A.'s.
What flags would you use? |
 Der Alte Fritz  | 20 Feb 2015 4:45 p.m. PST |
Maybe a larger variant of the flag used by the Philadelphia Light Horse. Use the battalion facing color as the color of the field. |
| John the OFM | 20 Feb 2015 5:19 p.m. PST |
The last time you asked (what it only a week ago? Time flies!  ), I posted a link to a previous TMP link I had put up about the Pennsylvania Associators.
TMP link
Seriously, though…
I would put the "Pennsylvania Scutcheon", the lion combatant holding the Penn coat of arms, on a field of the facing color. Then put a debased Union in the upper staff quadrant.
These guys were rich, and could afford a flag like this. |
| John the OFM | 20 Feb 2015 5:25 p.m. PST |
The Pennsylvania Associators were a not-militia started by Franklin to provide defence that the pacifist Quakers in the Legislature were too cheap and pacifist to finance. It was basically a Gentlemen's Club. (No VIP Lounge, though…)
The flags before the Revolution would be of the British pattern, with the Union and heraldic thingies on a field of the facing color. Then, for Revolutionary times, deface the Union.
A woodcut or engraving or whatever in my TMP link shows a muster to defend Philadelphia against the Paxton Boys. The details are not clear on the heraldic thingies, but it is clear that they follow British practice. |
| Winston Smith | 20 Feb 2015 7:38 p.m. PST |
Don't forget the Associators Artillery Company. They were VERY important politically.
And they had that Lenape motto on a 32pdr. Possibly on an unofficial artillery standard too. |
Doug MSC  | 20 Feb 2015 11:24 p.m. PST |
Color of their Artillery uniforms? |
| nevinsrip | 20 Feb 2015 11:35 p.m. PST |
Hey John why don't you make one and send it to me. You're a computer guy, I most certaily am not. Facing color is buff.
C'mon, I want to finish these guys.
Besides you can use it when you get your own castings.
For the second flag I'll use what Jim suggested. |
| Supercilius Maximus | 21 Feb 2015 7:13 a.m. PST |
Traditionally, British artillery regarded their guns as their colours, so artillery units didn't have flags. |
| John the OFM | 21 Feb 2015 7:49 a.m. PST |
This painting of the Battle of Princeton shows both Associator infantry and artillerists.
The artillerists are perfectly normally uniformed, and do not even have the Associator hat.
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| John the OFM | 21 Feb 2015 7:51 a.m. PST |
Bill, the computer I am using now is my son's old gaming computer. No programs ;oaded that I can draw flags with. Alas. My old one was great, with CAD, Word, etc but it is gone to a better place. |
| historygamer | 21 Feb 2015 9:31 a.m. PST |
That painting looks very 19th century to me. I would use it with caution. |
| John the OFM | 21 Feb 2015 10:11 a.m. PST |
The painting is by the Peale brothers who served in the campaign, and William Mercer, whose father was killed in the battle. |
| John the OFM | 21 Feb 2015 11:44 a.m. PST |
No, it's contemporary. Painted by Peale who fought in the battle, and Mercer whose father died in the battle. |
looks at a multi-period building.
