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MarkCorbett14 Feb 2015 6:01 a.m. PST

I suspect they would stay with the musketeers in the regiments but grateful for any advice / links.

Esquire14 Feb 2015 6:07 a.m. PST

For the early period I know that they did not.

Zargon14 Feb 2015 6:39 a.m. PST

Perhaps the liebfhanen of one of the regimental battalions? I'm also intrigued to know.
Cheers happy gaming

Winston Smith14 Feb 2015 7:49 a.m. PST

Grenadier battalions of nearly every nation composed of converged companies almost never carried flags. The flags rightly belonged to the parent regiments. They did not belong to the companies, even though some carried them.

I know nothing about Saxon practice but would be very surprised if they did not follow general practice of other nations.

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2015 9:13 a.m. PST

The Austrian converged grenadier battalions carried an ordnungsfahnen from the senior regiment represented. However, certainly from 1812 onwards, the Saxon converged grenadier battalions carried a simple flag with the name of the battalion (usually the CO) on it. It did not have 'colour' status. See the Westfalia or Calpe sites for more.

BelgianRay14 Feb 2015 9:58 a.m. PST

Definetly : no. And to be clear , they never did.

Zargon14 Feb 2015 3:54 p.m. PST

Thanks gents, I shall do mine with a non parent 'flag' (because I could not bare the idea of such troops going 'bare' :)
Cheers

JimSelzer14 Feb 2015 7:31 p.m. PST

my six converged Battalions didn't come with any and believe me the guy I bought them from would have had them done for he was a purist

MarkCorbett14 Feb 2015 7:52 p.m. PST

Well that's cleared that up! Very grateful chaps.

Okiegamer15 Feb 2015 9:31 p.m. PST

Does anyone know if the same was true for the Seven Year's War?

Musketier16 Feb 2015 8:48 a.m. PST

Even truer – I don't think they even had the later fanions then, unless these be camp colours actually.

The logic is always the same: Converged grenadiers were by definition ad-hoc units, drafted from several regiments both to concentrate the best men in spearhead units and to spread the damage from the often risky missions these battalions would be assigned across several regiments (who bore the burden of recruiting).

Far more than mere field signs for unit recognition, regimental colours were symbols of the sovereign's authority, as delegated to the regimental colonel. So unless yours was a permanent unit commanded by a duly commissioned colonel with full powers, it didn't rate a stand of colours.

summerfield17 Feb 2015 9:40 a.m. PST

Simple answer is no flags.

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