"2nd Gen Minifig Horses" Topic
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Khasimir | 07 Feb 2015 5:51 p.m. PST |
Does anyone happen to have a reference as to what horse model #'s were used with certain cav types or particular fig numbers? I've got a lot of stuff mixed together and I'd like to get this little mess sorted out. |
SJDonovan | 08 Feb 2015 3:15 a.m. PST |
I'm afraid I don't have a list of the horse model numbers but you can find a pdf of an old catalogue here and you may be able to identify the horse types from the pictures: PDF link Alternatively, if you would like to post pictures of the horses you are trying to identify I should be able to tell you which cavalry they go with. |
Dye4minis | 08 Feb 2015 3:58 a.m. PST |
Let me look. I have here somewhere, the packing lists which not only identifies the two horse poses but also their valises (where applicable). Horse poses are with legs together and legs apart. Standing horses only came in Gerneral/leader packs at GFI. Tom |
SJDonovan | 08 Feb 2015 4:10 a.m. PST |
Hi Tom, I think those are 3rd gen horses you are referring to. The 2nd gen horses were all in roughly the same walking pose (with the exception of one mount for senior officers that was rearing). However, in the UK during the transition from one range to another, some of the 2nd gen packs were supplied with 3rd gen horses so you do sometimes come across 2nd gen riders on 3rd gen horses. (It is quite easy to spot them, the riders generally look a bit too small) |
Dye4minis | 08 Feb 2015 8:15 a.m. PST |
Yes, SJ, you are correct. I WAS thinking of 3rd edition. Even in some ranges where the riders were resculpted by Dave, the horses used remained the same numbering. For sure, the 3D gen had shadow bases where the second were usually oval. Some of the older Minifigs catalogs had pictures of the cav all lined up, but IIRC, not much could be seen of the ends of the shabraques or valises. I have the horse matches for the 2nd gen, but it seems they are packed in storage with the company. My packing instructions I have here are solely for the 3rd gen ranges and those we remolded. Tom |
Khasimir | 09 Feb 2015 3:21 p.m. PST |
Here's the pictures, I've put them into groups for the sake of ease. If you want more detailed pics, please let me know. #1: [URL=http://s304.photobucket.com/user/mnebayseller/media/DSC_0447_zpsc291c7f4.jpg.html]
[/URL] #2: The picture doesn't do it justice, but the tails are a bit different between the two on the left. One is more flat and the other is more narrow. [URL=http://s304.photobucket.com/user/mnebayseller/media/DSC_0448_zps6203a820.jpg.html]
[/URL] #3: [URL=http://s304.photobucket.com/user/mnebayseller/media/DSC_0450_zps1b26d6f5.jpg.html]
[/URL] #4: [URL=http://s304.photobucket.com/user/mnebayseller/media/DSC_0451_zps38083573.jpg.html]
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Supercilius Maximus | 09 Feb 2015 4:44 p.m. PST |
If you get a PDF of the old catalogue look at the pages for the 25mm horses; IIRC, these were illustrated with line drawings showing which horses were needed for which units (with 25mm, horses were ordered separately so you could depict units with similar uniforms but different horse furniture). Photo #1 – hard to make out much detail, but it looks like the horse on the left has an animal skin over the saddlecloth, with the head on the rump of the horse; not quite sure which units would have that, but I suspect it's an officer's horse. The right hand horse looks Russian from the shape of the shabraque. Photo #2 – all three are light cavalry horses (far right is an officer's horse – no blanket roll/portmanteau). Most likely French line lancers and British light cavalry, but can't tell which is which from the photo. The pointy-ended shabraque style was used quite commonly across Europe, so it's difficult to be more specific than that. Photo #3 – not sure about the one on the left, but the other two are a French officer's horse (centre) and a French general's/senior Imperial Guard officer's horse (right). I've seen Napoleon on one of the third type. Photo #4 – French heavy cavalry troopers' horses; left hand horse is Carabiniers, "line cavalry" (ie Revolution era heavies) and Gendarmerie de ligne/d'Espagne, right horse is cuirassiers or dragoons. |
SJDonovan | 10 Feb 2015 3:52 a.m. PST |
Photo 1: The horse on the left is a French senior officer's horse and would come in sets 40FC, 46FC, 55FC and possibly 60FC. The horse on the right is a bit blurry so it is hard to tell but it appears to be the horse that was used for Prussian codes 2PC and 5PC (Dragoons and Guard Ulans) and also for Russian codes 2RC and 4RC (Dragoons and Chasseurs). They would also be used for the trumpeters and standard bearers associated with these codes. Photo 2: These are used for the light cavalry of most nations except the British. They are used for codes 1NSC, 4FC, 14FC, 3FC, 33FC, 5FC, 17FC, 3RC, 1WC, 3ASC, 4ASC and probably many more. The left and centre figures are the same horse and the differences in the tails is probably down to the casting. The hose on the right is an officer's horse and turns up in a huge number of command sets (for example, in the French hussar and chasseur codes where the troopers have sheepskin saddles this is still the horse used for officers) Photo 3: The left hand horse is for British light dragoons (codes 2BC, 12BC and 13BC). The one in the middle is for French Horse Grenadier officers (code 22FC) but also appears in the officers/personalities sets (codes 4OFC, 46FC, 59FC and 60FC). It also appears in the heavy cavalry command sets of some of the other nations. The right-hand figure is another officer's horse from the Empress Dragoon and Elite Gendarmes command sets (30FC and 31FC) Photo 4: Is just as Super Max says: late period French Carabiniers on the left; cuirassiers and dragoons on the right. |
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