yarkshire gamer | 04 Feb 2015 11:29 a.m. PST |
link Evening all, A spot of British Artillery this week, in my Box to Table tutorial stylee, hopefully of use to some. Big question for the viewing public, white turnbacks or red ? Seen both, opted for white but seen red in a couple of sources. I know you guys will know. Regards, Ken yarkshiregamer.blogspot.co.uk |
Redcoat 55 | 04 Feb 2015 11:46 a.m. PST |
The Royal Artillery had red turnbacks at the start of the war. Sometime in the 1780s white turnbacks start showing up. That is a nice tutorial, and I especially appreciate that you gave the Royal Artillery the white leather cartridge pouches, many people miss that detail. |
IronDuke596 | 04 Feb 2015 12:12 p.m. PST |
I concur with Redcoat 55 re the turnbacks. I really liked the way you painted your guns. They look superb. You stated the figures were by Perry but are the guns as well? BTW Halfords Black Primer Spray is that a black primer made for autos i.e. a metal primer (enamel)? |
Rhysius Cambrensis | 04 Feb 2015 12:33 p.m. PST |
Your painting is excellent they look fantastic. However, the cannon moulding does not look so good! |
historygamer | 04 Feb 2015 1:33 p.m. PST |
The linstock (thing the guy is holding out to ignite the gun to fire) should be painted grey (arty equip color) and the little thing curling around it is white or off white (the slow match). Turnbacks should be red. Look great. :-) |
historygamer | 04 Feb 2015 1:33 p.m. PST |
Oh, other arty implements should be grey too. |
historygamer | 04 Feb 2015 2:03 p.m. PST |
Having said that, I'd have to check my own 15mm ones. Of course they are move visilibe in the larger scale. |
historygamer | 04 Feb 2015 2:04 p.m. PST |
Oh, and the iron fittings on the carriages and wheels would be painted black. Hard to see if they are in the photos. |
historygamer | 04 Feb 2015 2:05 p.m. PST |
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yarkshire gamer | 04 Feb 2015 3:40 p.m. PST |
Always a good debate when I post ! Cheers for the turnback info seen plenty of both over the years, question answered. IronDuke596, yep the guns are those supplied by Perrys, Halfords is indeed is an Auto Repair store in the UK, their matt black primer is perfect for modelling, it is enamel based but dries perfectly matt and has a slightly grainy texture which takes acrylic really well. History, turnbacks white or red, see above. Artillery Equipment is a good one, seen plenty of both over the years, both the painted and the natural wood, prefer natural wood. Agree fittings painted black but after 10 minutes use they would wear to metal in places, look at any reenactment kit, mine painted dark gun metal to reflect this. Regards, Ken yarkshiregamer.blogspot.co.uk |
historygamer | 04 Feb 2015 6:59 p.m. PST |
The wheels show some wear (but are still predominantly black), but not so much the rest of the fittings. I ran a gun for a couple years – heavy three bronze – which looked more brass when polished to any degree. I work with re-enactor guns all the time. Turnbacks for majority of the war were red for artillery, as per regulations. I don't recall seeing any unpainted implements such as rammers. Linstock may be a you-call it preference. |
historygamer | 04 Feb 2015 7:26 p.m. PST |
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Supercilius Maximus | 05 Feb 2015 12:56 a.m. PST |
The white turnbacks were only officially introduced in October 1782 – highly unlikely that they were seen very much, if at all, in North America during the AWI. |
historygamer | 05 Feb 2015 12:08 p.m. PST |
I believe the implements were painted to protect the wood from water and wear. |
Keifer113 | 05 Feb 2015 6:00 p.m. PST |
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Supercilius Maximus | 05 Feb 2015 6:02 p.m. PST |
Where the tails of the coat are folded back and hooked together to allow the wearer to march and move more freely. This exposes the lining, which was white (or occasionally buff) for British infantry, but red for the Royal Artillery. |
historygamer | 06 Feb 2015 11:47 a.m. PST |
Just got an email from one Royal Artillery re-enactor, with gun, who said they paint the wood and iron to preserve it. While the iron-rimmed wheels might get scuffed up, they would still be more black than metal, and more so on the rest of the fittings. link |
yarkshire gamer | 06 Feb 2015 12:21 p.m. PST |
History, cheers for the updates. I think the dark gunmetal gives that scuffed up effect quite well, might add a touch of black to it next time just to darken it off more. Good discussion as always, its very easy these days to type in "awi british artillery" into google images and take an average ! Just try it, many have the natural wood kit, Front Rank for example also lots of pics have the white turnbacks. Hopefully I will remember all this when I paint my next British guns, I dont have much AWI apart from some Cavalry planned this year so at least I can look back on this in 2016 or 17. Regards, Ken yarkshiregamer.blogspot.co.uk |
historygamer | 06 Feb 2015 12:51 p.m. PST |
Since I'm not sure what images are coming up – are they painted figures, re-enactors, or period paintings? I'd tend to the later two before copying what might be someone else's mistake in figure painting. Ring up the lads in Woolrich and ask them. :-) |
historygamer | 06 Feb 2015 12:54 p.m. PST |
Many (not all) re-enactors carefully research their kits and implements. All the RA gunnes I know on this side of the pond have red turnbacks and painted implements. It depends on the level of historical accuracy you are going for I guess. I find many figures are "mispainted" as are some of the actual figure sculpts too – especially the larger scale figurines. |
historygamer | 19 Feb 2015 9:02 p.m. PST |
Just so you know I put my money where my mouth is, I just painted my own RA implements gray, and made sure all their coat tails were red – they are. :-) |
historygamer | 01 Mar 2015 3:20 p.m. PST |
I was just up at the Gettysburg museum yesterday and they had some artillery implements on display. They were painted, either black or green. |
yarkshire gamer | 02 Mar 2015 3:27 p.m. PST |
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historygamer | 03 Mar 2015 7:46 a.m. PST |
ACW, but the technology was largely the same. :-) |
historygamer | 03 Mar 2015 7:50 a.m. PST |
Not period, but his research is pretty darned good:
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historygamer | 03 Mar 2015 10:35 a.m. PST |
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yarkshire gamer | 05 Mar 2015 11:41 a.m. PST |
Heres my original ref, Blandford Press 1975, Uniforms of the American Revolution, might be showing my age but this was the reference when I was a lad in pre tinterwebnet days. White turnbacks and natural wood equipment, I knew I wasn't going mad. Regards, Ken |
historygamer | 05 Mar 2015 2:02 p.m. PST |
It was very good for its day, but since then errors have been found. No source is perfect. Still, I often consult it as well as other sources. One of my favorite books. :-) I like that fellow standing next to the arty guy though. Kind of looks like this fellow: link |
historygamer | 05 Mar 2015 2:04 p.m. PST |
The lintstock may or may not have been painted. The other implements were painted to protect them from use – water, gunk, rain, etc. |