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Tango0129 Jan 2015 4:32 p.m. PST

"Sebastian Junger is a rare filmmaker. His trio of documentaries about soldiers fighting in Afghanistan neither praise nor demonize America's troops. Unlike most popular war films, he doesn't turn soldiers into superheroes.

The Oscar-nominated Restrepo is about the job. Korengal is about the men. The Last Patrol is about those men trying to come home. In a long and discursive interview, we talked with Junger about warped perceptions of the troops, why he went to war and modern conceptions of manhood.

Junger argues that Americans are enamored with war, even when they say they don't believe in it. He also thinks young men in the west no longer have a sense of what it means to be a man—and some of them go to war to find out…"
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jurgenation Supporting Member of TMP29 Jan 2015 4:40 p.m. PST

I have seen two of the three,great filmmaker.

Bangorstu30 Jan 2015 12:55 a.m. PST

Could be applied to why young men go to Syria as well. for many, if not most, the motivations are identical to what sent Orwell to Spain.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP30 Jan 2015 10:18 a.m. PST

Interesting take …

Tango0130 Jan 2015 10:58 a.m. PST

Glad you enjoyed the article my friend.

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15mm and 28mm Fanatik30 Jan 2015 12:37 p.m. PST

"We all want peace, but we're all fascinated by the drama of war. It transcends our moral beliefs."

A brilliant observation. Just look at Ernest Hemingway, Theodore Roosevelt, and countless others.

GNREP830 Jan 2015 5:41 p.m. PST

Could be applied to why young men go to Syria as well. for many, if not most, the motivations are identical to what sent Orwell to Spain.
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except that certainly those going more recently know what ISIL etc represent, so in that aspect comparing them to the IB of the SCW is like comparing (as Germans were fond of) the Waffen SS to the Brigade of Guards.

GNREP830 Jan 2015 6:00 p.m. PST

In one aspect reminded me of the old Buffy St Marie song – Universal Soldier

'He's five feet two and he's six feet four
He fights with missiles and with spears
He's all of thirty-one and he's only seventeen
He's been a soldier for a thousand years

He's a catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jane
A Buddhist and a Baptist and Jew
And he knows he shouldn't kill and he knows he always will
You'll for me my friend and me for you

And he's fighting for Canada, he's fighting for France
He's fighting for the usa
And he's fighting for the Russians and he's fighting for Japan
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way

And he's fighting for democracy he's fighting for the reds
He says it's for the peace of all
He's the one who must decide who's to live and who's to die
And he never sees the writing on the wall

But without him how would Hitler have condemned him at Le Val
Without him Caesar would have stood alone
He's the one who gives his body as the weapon of the war
And without him all this killing can't go on

He's the universal soldier and he really is to blame
But his orders come from far away no more
They come from him and you and me and brothers can't you see
This is not the way we put an end to war?'

Its got some good lines of poetry even if the overall thinking is woolly and misses that we live in a fallen world and that people like Hitler would have happily done their damage with policemen and prison guards (who needs soldiers per se when you are dealing with civilians) so maybe another song was needed condemning them too. A totally pacifist response to Hitler would have certainly left no Jewish people in the world, Slavs, disabled etc etc

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP31 Jan 2015 8:57 a.m. PST

Yeah … Buffy or her writer are being a bit simplistic for my tastes …

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