"Byzantine Soldiers in the 'Joshua Roll',10th century" Topic
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Druzhina | 25 Jan 2015 4:22 a.m. PST |
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Xintao | 25 Jan 2015 6:39 a.m. PST |
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skipper John | 25 Jan 2015 7:29 a.m. PST |
This could not have come at a better time! I am painting Saga Byzantines currently. Thank you Druzhina!! |
Lewisgunner | 27 Jan 2015 5:34 a.m. PST |
I doubt Byzantine soldiers of the tenth century look anything like that. It would ge really helpful if Druzhina showed alongside them some of the rather more realistic representations that he has found. These are a clssicised fiction….nothing like the more practical gear they really wore. |
Lewisgunner | 27 Jan 2015 5:43 a.m. PST |
Is a far far more realistic contemporary figure |
Druzhina | 27 Jan 2015 8:46 p.m. PST |
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Lewisgunner | 30 Jan 2015 5:36 a.m. PST |
Then I'd cite this one as far more beleivable, granted its Armenian, but culturally similar link |
Lewisgunner | 30 Jan 2015 5:42 a.m. PST |
link From your own listings, but then I'd happily see this as later, however, it is in the right style as regards Byzantine armour and The Joshua roll just is not.
Or this which is again from your useful archive and is much more realistic than the Joshua Roll; link
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Druzhina | 30 Jan 2015 7:39 p.m. PST |
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Lewisgunner | 31 Jan 2015 3:45 a.m. PST |
Itdidoes indeed and that is useful,and I happily concede that Byzantine classical tradition illustrations ontain contemporary weapons, horse gear etc because the classicised element concentrates on helmets, arty looking armour, bare leg musculature, open toed boots and other illustrative items that are important to its iconography. Presumably swords, for example, have no classic shape and are of secondary relevance. I include the David plates link , here from your Byzantine collection, in this classicising style . Perhaps we should call them 'super classicised' because the ordinary Byzantine representations such as thevsoldiers around Pharaoh's throne on Maximian's chair have their helmets altered to a more attic look . It is like Trajan's column which we are certain has the helmets simplified, the cheek pueces reduced, the shields reduced, the lorica segmentata simplified, to make it more amenable to an Hellenistic golden age art style.. |
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