"You Should Paint These British As???" Topic

I've got a couple of units of British soldiers to be painted.

Group One are Light Infantry in leather caps.
I should paint these as? Because?

Group Two are British in cut down coats and slouch hats
Same questions.

Finally, Group Three Loyalsits in wide brimmed hats with feathers.

Again, same questions.

I'm looking for specifice units that were active in battles.
And I need coat and facing colors.

I'm thinking that Delancey's Brigade would be my Loyalists, but how active were they really? Another suggestion?
I'm open to anything here.
Convince me.

Group one could be Butler's Rangers in green faced red coats and leather trousers. Use them for games in the New York area.

Got those already with the plate in the caps. Next.

Do you have troops already done for the battle of King's Mountain and other Southern actions?

Some. But not all.

sounds like they would be best suited for the Southern Campaign
weren't the 1st Guards dressed in cut down coats and floppy hats.
The 33rd fought a lot in the South, red facings, iirc.

De Lancey's Brigade

link
the 1st and 2nd Battalions were ordered South, where they served under Lt. Col. Archibald Campbell. [1]

The 1st and 2nd Battalions fought successfully in the Siege of Ninety-Six and at the Battle of Eutaw Springs and other battles in the Carolinas.[2]

Leather caps – traditional British lights in warrant clothing for 1775 or just of the ship later Lights. FYI< but Butlers did not wear leather caps.

Generic Brits, blue facings (4th, 8th, 23rd, 60th, etc)

Why are Loyalist in wide brimmed hats with feathers? Sounds more like 1777 Lights to me.

Leather caps – traditional British lights in warrant clothing for 1775 or just of the ship later Lights. FYI< but Butlers did not wear leather caps.

Generic Brits, blue facings (4th, 8th, 23rd, 60th, etc)

Why are Loyalist in wide brimmed hats with feathers? Sounds more like 1777 Lights to me. DeLancey's is a good choice – faced blue I believe.

Do some research already. Buy some books before you buy figures. Research is part of the hobby. Do like your teacher says and do your own work. Then come back here and ask some real questions.

Does owning your own AWI figure line count as research?
Since I own Kings Mountain Miniatures and produce the only line of Over Mountain Men and Highlanders in the proper uniforms, for the South.

I just may have read a book or two. Maybe one of the several dozen that I own regarding the AWI.

And perhaps I've consulted with known AWI scholars. Hi, Brendan.

I may even have contacted Don Troiani and gained his insight. He was helpful, by the way.

I could have picked the 23 Royal Welch Fuziliers right off, due to their participation in so many battles.
Or the 33 Rd. Foot. And I did hint at Delancey's. But which battalion? Those that were sent South or those that stayed in NY.

This was supposed to be a fun exercise to see what TMP'ers would choose and why. That's all.

Sorry to disappoint you Rallynow. I'll try to do better next time, if that's alright with you. I'll probably spend the rest of my life searching for "real questions", so that you won't get upset.
Toy soldier forums are serious business. I crossed the line here. My bad.

Bill, don't let it get to you. Everybody looks at things from different angles, some kind and helpful and some critical. It's just life in the big city.

Yup. You're right.
I thought that I might get some "pick the 00 regiment. My great, great grandfather deserted that unit."
Or "so and so regiment fought at such and such battle and that's my favorite" type replies.

Carry on.

Personally for loyalists units I have always had a soft spot for the New York Volunteers. They were fighting since Long Island. Went south with Campbell and fought throughout the south at Briar creek, Savannah, Rocky mount (interesting action there), Hobkirk hill and Eutaw Springs. Designated 3rd American regiment. They had a mounted detachment in the south. Uniform was red coat with either blue or buff facing's depending on year.

The DeLancey battalions are rather confusing, as I believe they folded one into another at some point.

Why not go generic? I am currently painting up a box of Perry Brits with red coats faced blue with the assumption it can be used as a stand in for a number of British or Loyalist units in the late war south. To improve on it I may get some extra command figures so I can have unit specific flags.

Bill,
I'm not sure how accurate it is but Blanford's book on uniforms of the American Revolution has the 3rd Battalion of De Lancy's Brigade wearing Red coats with Dark blue facings and wide brimmed white hats with a black feather in them which they wore in the South. They also have a picture of the North Carolina Volunteers wearing a red coat with dark blue facings and a wide brimmed black hat with a black feather in it.

Way back in my Earlies, I painted a unit of Hinchliffe Continentals as ted coat Loyalists. I did a " best guess" flag and called them deLancey's.
Occasionally, they ARE deLancey's! But most of the time they are who I say they are, like the 2nd Guards.

BTW, these were my first attempt at conversions. I used putty to give them pimp hat feathers a la Mollo.

Basically you can't go wrong with generic Loyalists.

Most of the Loyalists uniforms didn't have the braid on the lapels and cuffs as the British uniforms did. At least that's my understanding. So you can use American Regulars as Loyalists in uniform, painted with either the red coats or green,depending on your preference.

I have always preferred my Loyalists in green coats but those were phased out after 79

Hi Bill,

Some of the bigger Loyalist units used buttonhole lace to denote the individual battalions. I believe one battalion of Delancey's was issued white felt hats during the Southern campaigns, but as "historygamer" says, they got mixed together at some point. I've always found the siege of Fort Ninety-Six a fascinating mini-campaign – "all American" in that there were no Regular or German units present (although there were some foreigners among Green's Continental forces).

If you're looking to keep it all Southern, have the British in light infantry caps represent the three regiments that arrived in 1781 and fought at Eutaw (3rd, 19th and 30th – nice selection of facings: buff, dark green and bright yellow). These units suffered in the heat because they still wore the full European uniforms.