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Tango0118 Jan 2015 10:05 p.m. PST

By Warlord Games…

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Amicalement
Armand

skippy000119 Jan 2015 7:49 a.m. PST

I never liked that tank for some reason.

christot19 Jan 2015 1:30 p.m. PST

For the same unknown reason I've always loved Valentines. No idea why.

Fatman19 Jan 2015 1:36 p.m. PST

I keep hoping zvezda will do one in 15mm. It would fit both my Soviet and British forces.

Fatman

wizbangs20 Jan 2015 7:08 p.m. PST

Is it proper with that much ground clearance between the tracks? It looks kind of unusual with all that space beneath.

Tango0120 Sep 2019 3:28 p.m. PST

Rubicon Models announced new Valentine tank variants…

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Armand

deephorse21 Sep 2019 1:17 a.m. PST

Interesting tactic.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP21 Sep 2019 3:16 a.m. PST

I thought the drawings alone were worth showing. Especially the third one down showing all the different marks in profile.

A tank often overlooked, as not around for the Blitzkrieg and gone by 1944 NW Europe.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP21 Sep 2019 7:39 a.m. PST

thumbs up And from what I understand the USSR liked the design and many were lend leased to them, IIRC.

WARGAMESBUFF21 Sep 2019 11:18 p.m. PST

if you look on the Russian military sites and the photographs, it was amazingly one of the first tanks into Berlin with their recce troops.

Tango0124 Sep 2019 10:11 p.m. PST

(smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP25 Sep 2019 12:16 p.m. PST

And from what I understand the USSR liked the design and many were lend leased to them, IIRC.

It was the #2 tank (in terms of volume) that the Russians received by Lend Lease. And they did indeed like it.

Although given the wide variance in versions, it is not entirely clear to me that all that volume, or opinions of it, should be lumped together as one tank. Maybe so, but maybe not.

if you look on the Russian military sites and the photographs, it was amazingly one of the first tanks into Berlin with their recce troops.

This is one aspect of Russian use that I find interesting. They considered it a light tank. They liked it for recon units.

Given that the British put it into service first as an Infantry Tank, and then later used it to fill in as a Cruiser Tank, it is something of an anomaly to observe that the Red Army, which may well have been the largest volume user of the Valentine, considered it a light tank.

It does speak to the very practical perspectives of the Red Army. The Valentine was probably seen as a better solution to what they tried to do with their T-70. Valentine had somewhat better firepower (2 pdr had better anti-armor performance than the Russian 45mm tank gun, and 6 pdr was a genuine step forward for a light tank). Valentine had very good reliability (engine, drive train, suspension all were mature and robust by 1942). It had good armor for a light tank (T-70 had decent armor for a light tank too, but the planned T-80 follow-on went even farther in armor before it was cancelled), and although it had a rather low road-speed, it seems that Valentine performed pretty well cross-country (a weakness of the T-60 / T-70 lineage).

Right up through mid-1943, for the Red Army light tanks were integral to larger tank formations. Almost 1/3 of all Russian tanks at Kursk were light tanks. The dismal performance of the T-70s at Kursk led to the Soviets shutting down all light tank production. In combat, the Valentine looks like an altogether more capable light tank. And, there was no longer any domestic supply. So yes please, may I have some more?

In 1942/43, the Valentine was really very useful to fulfill the light tank combat role.

Also, from what I have read of Russian commentaries, the Valentine was considered a notably quiet tank by Russian standards, which helps in a recon role.

Perhaps the real kicker was that it had a better turret / crew set-up. Looking at the T-70, I can't see how a TC could possibly maintain any sort of situational awareness in that thing. Which, for a light tank in a recon role, is kind of the whole point, you know?

So in 1943/44/45 the Valentine was the light tank that could fulfill the light tank recon role.

Or so I have concluded, from my readings.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP25 Sep 2019 12:35 p.m. PST

Great answer. A UK Infantry Tank becomes a light tank in USSR service.

Sure, up with T34/85 or IS IIIs, a very useful "light" tank by comparison.

really interesting

Tango0125 Sep 2019 12:37 p.m. PST

Many thaks Mark 1!!

Amicalement
Armand

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