"BOKI 1:100 pre-1798 Austrian Cavalry." Topic

Cool. Best of luck with the new molds.

Should I wait and see how the new figures come out before ordering?

Yes, please.
Tomorrow this will be clear. If fourth mould will be better, then I recast all figs.

What command figures do you have planned?

If I'm doing a 12 figure unit would it be safe to assume 9 troopers, trumpeter and officer? Or would there be a cavalry standard at this time? Maybe Von Winterfeld can answer that one?

Colin

What command figures do you have planned?

If I'm doing a 12 figure unit would it be safe to assume 9 troopers, trumpeter and officer? Or would there be a cavalry standard at this time? Maybe Von Winterfeld can answer that one?

Colin

for dragoons and cuirassiers, cavalry standrad bearer yes please, for CL – I have to research.

My regiments will be around 32 figures, there Austrian cavalry regiments were huge and often a division (2 squadrons would be used as tactical unit and the regiment would be split up)

For the Marengo army list I'm working from I need:

3rd Light Dragoons 3 x 12 Figures
9th Light Dragoons 3 x 12 Figures
1st Light Dragoons x 16 Figures
10th Light Dragoons x 12 Figures

I think I'm going to use a mix of styles to differentiate between each regiment… the 3rd all in bicorne, the 9th in kaskett, maybe one of the others in 1799 helmet. I'll have to think which ones to have in green as well.

I know it won't be 100% accurate but I want the units to look different to each other.

Hip-hip-hurreigh! Fourth try was successful.
Sharpness are back and weekend castings are in his way back to melting pot. Now some lead flow optimizing corrections and eliminating one bubble on back of one figure must be done and this will be one fine mould for fine figures.

Today I make first half for Chevauleggers mould.

@Eclipsing Binaries

The regimental names are those of the 1798 reform, all you have to find out, what regiments had been Chevaulegers before that – for those I would opt for Kasket, for Dragoons the hat is perfectly acceptable there in the Züricher of 1799 Dragoons are still shown in hats, also for 1799 helmets, the Bussy Jäger would be my prime candidate, it could be seen on a print of Austrian POWS

Thanks VW, I had already thought about doing the Bussy in helmets, so they will be wearing those with the grey uniforms (as shown in Osprey "Napoleon's Italian Campaigns".

Sho, can I order some now and wait until you are happy with the quality?

Colin

Yes, you can.
But Chevauleggers are'nt on sale yet. Only Dragoons and Cuirassieurs.
Will post them on Friday then.

Excellent. I only need Dragoons first.

Sho Boki,

I would like 9 cuirassiers and 9 dragoons please to get started. Do you have officer, trumpeter, standard bearer?
You may email me at becker1372 at gmail.com

No, I don't have command figures yet. Only troopers moulds for moment.
You may order these from my homepage through PayPal.
But I can't post them before Friday or Monday. They are not casted yet.

boki.ee/Painted_Figs/AUSTRIA/AU_7001/Boki_Shop.htm

Boki, thanks, on your web page which source did you use to get the color picture of the dragoon? Sources are a bit difficult in this period.

The best source is von Winterfeldt.
Almost all knowledge, I use for Revolutionary period, are from him.
I myself are more specialized to 1805-1812, 1815.

I worked all night and I will carry all ordered Austrian Cavalry packets to Post Office tomorrow. Also Chevauleggers and Guard Cossacks command are ready. They will be available today.

Charging Guard Cossacks are next in moulding line.

Splendid. I even don't opened the sale officially but these Austrians already are my best selled items. And I thinked, that this will be the some sort of side production.

So has the good sales changed your mind about what to do next?

great news.

His twitching fingers must tell him ;-))

how to paint Austrian dragoons

go to

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also

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received my castings, well done, my favourits, due to musket attachment as on contemporary pictures, Chevaulegers :-)).

the added special figures – Cossack commands look nice as well.

Paulalba pointed out, that two Cossack figures broked his neck during moulding. I will mould them again.

But now, having Austrians in hands, you still consider his swords too short?

yes, swords look too short in my view

I think mine arrived today, but as I was out and couldn't sign for them I will need to get them redelivered, so won't see them until Friday.

Hopefully you'll have the command figures sculpted and cast by then?

(Only kidding)

Yes, Track and Trace shows, that delivery attempt to you failed today.

von W,
In the third link, looking at the chevauxlegers, after each plate there is a plate of Uhlanen with the same title and coat, but an early czapka. Were there squadrons or divisions in the Chevaulegers regiments? If so, any idea what figures to use? All are shown with swords.
Thanks

It is pre 1792 organisation, which was quite complex – as far as I remember one division of Ulanen was attached to a CL regiment for those fighting in Turky – as for early Austrian Ulanen, no figures are available, maybe in the future another project of Sho Boki

I have my figures. They look great. I have horses and command figures so can hopefully start painting them tonight.

I'll look forward to seeing them painted. I'm waiting with baited breath for mine, especially the chevaulegers.

von W, following that up, what was the reorganization in '92? To put them all in one regiment? In '96 as that book showed, should that one regiment have multiple facing colors? I take it that if I'm doing a chevaulegers regiment for the mid 1790s I'm not missing something I should have if I don't have the Uhlans?
Phil

the Ulanen were used to form a regiment in 1791 the Mezarros Ulanen.

The Carabinier Regiments, were 8 squadrons strong, two of them Chevaulegers, if this system was still valid in 1792 I have to find out

In 1792 the Austrian cavalry was

2 Karabinier regiments
9 Cuirassier Regiments
6 Dragoon regiments
7 Chevau Leger Regiments
1 Regiment of Stabs Dragoner
8 Hussar Hungarian Regiments
1 Regiment (Szekler) Hussaren
1 Ulanenregiment

I have a bit conflicting information about the strength

The carabiniers 8 squadrons (two of them CL)
The Cuirassiers, Dragoons and CL – 6 squadrons
The Hussars 8 squadrons
The Szekler Husaren 10 squadrons
the Ulanen (here different numbers, 4 squadrons, other source 8 squadrons)

For mid 1790 CL – regiments – only CL uniform – with the exception of Latour CL which retained their dragoon status but with green coat and hat.

So, LaTour were counted in the CL list even though with dragoon hat? That's why I was coming up with 7 dragoon and 6 CL when I was counting from the illustrations.

Would taking the peak/bill off Boki's CL caps make them right form the early part of the 90s? or is there something else obvious? Any idea how early the peak started showing up?

Suggestions on where I might find the list of regimental titles and dates of changes? The osprey on infantry has it, but not the cavalry early. When the Light Dragoons list was created in 1800, was it the dragoon or CL that became Kaiser? and what happened to the other? and new 13th LD raised at that point, no title in the list I saw…

Thanks, these guys are confusing.
Phil

the complete Militär Almanach year by year is online.

LaTour preserved its Dragoon status – despite being listed as CL, also the green coats – as the Züricher pictural manuscript preserves.

The peaked Kaskett, should come up around 1795, in case you take the peak off, they would go well in my view.

I do for next one mould with peakless Chevauleggers, Dragoons and Cuirassieurs with tricornes and Cuirassieurs with helmet for Turkish front.
Just finished casting charging Cossacks and Krakusen and prepare the selling page.
And get unpleasant lesson about producing 6mm.

Just some observation I learned from reading some of my books on the subject

The Carabinier – chevaulegers had the identical uniform as the carabiniers but no cuirass and the smaller CL horses.

Now if they kept the standing collar in line with cuirassier fashion, I don't know, stickler for detail might not approve but one could use dragoon figures to simulate those two squadrons, so one would have 6 cuirassier fashion carabiniers and 2 dragoon fashion carabiniers.

About the cuirassiers fighting in the Turkish wars from 1788 – 1789 – they did not only wear the helmet but also the back cuirass !!

The problem with Austrian cavalry of that period is that we have 1792 – then the 1798 reformation and again a change in 1802.

some more trivia I found out prompted by Valmy 92

The ulanen division attached to the CL regiments fighting in Turky did wear white coats and no lances for that campaign but where armed with the sabre and fire arms.

Now what is the unpleasant experience about 6 mm production

Yes, I know about back plate.
About 6mm here..
boki.ee/Military_Uniforms/Uniforms_0022/Military.htm

I found this information last week, but can't find the site I found it on.

I'm not sure how correct it is.

So working from those I plan on building the four units that were present at Marengo to look like this…

They probably had the 1798 helmets at this point but I really want to use Sho Boki's miniatures.

Wow, that chart's a mess…

Were all Austrian cavalry regiments numbered in one continuous sequence at this time (like the various British "dragoon" units), or were there really 31 cuirassier regiments?

In 1800 the biggest part of the Austrian Army would still wear the pre 1798 regulation uniforms and head gear – I also would paint the units in their pre 1798 uniform.

The Züricher Bilderhandschrift of 1799 shows still the old uniforms.

So in case light dragoons, still with Kasket (former CL) – Dragoons with hat and so on.

link

Colin,

I was intrigued so googled for a bit, link above, and it's originally from the old Spanner and Yank site, a real blast from the past.

I'm developing a big of a Marengo bug, brought on by a combination of the new figures and your blog.

Yes FleaMaster, that's where I found it. I have a habit of finding website and forgetting to bookmark them, then not finding them again.

Sho, I know you've just released a pile of figures and you're also sorting the 6mm range, but do you know when you'll be doing command for your Austrian cavalry?

I'm enjoying painting the ones I have and will need to start the next unit soon and would rather get your command figures than order from elsewhere.

Colin

I finish Austrian Infantry command for von Winterfeldt and after casting these together with Krakus and Towarzcys commands, I will convert these Austrians to Cavalry command.
So it will take month or two or three..

Ok, sounds fair enough. I'll get some when you're done whether I've finished the units or not.

von Winterfeldt, are this sword long enough (yellow part)?
There are more wire, I can do longer, if needed.

Next wave of Austrians on table, pre-pre-1798.

On photo seems, that left three have heads way too big.
With naked eye they looks big but acceptable. I think that I don't start to fix them. Or I should?

First head on the left seems especially big.

Pre-pre-1798 = 1740 to 1780?

The three do look a bit big, but then the figures are higher in the image which may cause them to look bigger.

SYW to 1790, I think. Von Winterfeldt may say more accurate.