Help support TMP


"Musketeer & Fusilier Regiments" Topic


9 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

Please be courteous toward your fellow TMP members.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the SYW Message Board

Back to the 18th Century Discussion Message Board


Action Log

14 Jan 2015 7:57 p.m. PST
by Editor in Chief Bill

  • Changed title from "Musketeer & Fusiliers Regiments" to "Musketeer & Fusilier Regiments"
  • Removed from Historical Wargaming board

Areas of Interest

18th Century

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Top-Rated Ruleset

Fire and Steel


Rating: gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star 


Featured Showcase Article

1:700 Black Seas British Brigs

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian paints brigs for the British fleet.


Featured Profile Article

First Look: Minairons' 1:600 Xebec

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian looks at a fast-assembly naval kit for the Age of Sail.


Featured Book Review


1,565 hits since 14 Jan 2015
©1994-2024 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?


TMP logo

Membership

Please sign in to your membership account, or, if you are not yet a member, please sign up for your free membership account.
grommet3714 Jan 2015 1:11 p.m. PST

Fellow History Buffs,

In recent reading I have begun to notice that some armies fielded regiments officially called musketeer regiments alongside those they called fusilier regiments. While I understand that this name was probably given to the regiments at a time when the service "fusil" was a noticeably different (shorter?) weapon than the service "musket", I am wondering about the WAS/SYW period, where the service musket was as short and light as the fusil of the previous generation.

In the era of the Seven Years' War, would "musketeer" and "fusilier" regiments of the line in the same army generally be issued different weapons?

Or is this a remnant of an earlier era, much as dragoons are more likely used as heavy cavalry by this era than as mounted infantry?

I'm asking in particular about, say, the Austrians at Kolin. The Osprey OOB shows regiments with both names, and the illustration of the muskets shows a decreasing length of the later issue, with the service musket (1740's) eventually the size of the previous fusil (1730's).

Just another example of the traditionalism of unit naming conventions? Or an actual difference in issued weapons and/or unit function?

Oops, need to ask an editor to fix the typo in the title.

Winston Smith14 Jan 2015 1:24 p.m. PST

In the American Revolution the only difference was the hat.

vtsaogames14 Jan 2015 1:35 p.m. PST

During the Nine Years War musketeers would have matchlock muskets. Fusiliers had fusils (flintlock muskets). They were used to guard artillery because standing near ammunition wagons with lit slow matches was hazardous. I am not aware that Seven Years War fusiliers had any different equipment than headgear.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2015 2:19 p.m. PST

In the SYW Prussian Army, the fusilier regiments were "musketeer" regiments that were raised after the war started, sometimes of dubious recruits. Frederick gave them a shorter mitre helmet so they would feel better. Many of them were good regiments although some composed of pressed Saxon troops had high rates of desertion.

In the British Army, the handful of fusilier regiments traced their lineages back to regiments which had been armed with the early "fusil" flintlocks when the rest of the army was equipped with matchlocks. [see post above] Thus they were supposed to be a notch above the standard foot regiment although that wasn't necessarily true.

In the French Army the standard infantryman was called a fusilier as were the companies in which they were organized.

Hope this helps.

Jim

Peter Constantine14 Jan 2015 2:42 p.m. PST

The SYW Prussian fusiliers were issued with a shorter musket than the musketeers. The mitre cap of the fusiliers was of a different, shorter (no pompom), design than that of the grenadiers, but the metal front plates of both types of headgear were the same size.

picture

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2015 2:43 p.m. PST

Thus they were supposed to be a notch above the standard foot regiment although that wasn't necessarily true.

Don't let the Royal Welch hear you say that!

grommet3714 Jan 2015 11:14 p.m. PST

As always, I thank the Gracious Respondents for their gentlemanly demeanor and their continued generosity in sharing their accumulated knowledge.

I also wish to thank the EIC for kindly fixing my typo.

Cheers.

COL Scott ret14 Jan 2015 11:18 p.m. PST

Mserafin
I have no thought of insulting any Soldiers of an ally. However the OP is asking about the SYW so any Royal Welch left from that time have been dead for more than a century, therefore at this time all the dead are equal. May those who served rest in well deserved peace.

Musketier15 Jan 2015 2:51 p.m. PST

Note that the French usage of the term was the logical one, since the flintlock fusil had effectively replaced the matchlock musket throughout the army. Then again, if everything were always logical, where would cherished military traditions spring from?

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.