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parksd7013 Jan 2015 6:13 p.m. PST

Hello everyone,

I will soon be receiving reinforcemnts in the for of 12 battalions of Prussian Infantry (and 4 of Landwehr!) from Old Glory. I'm having some trouble matching up the regiments to their cuff/collar colors. Napoleonistyka has a good list for 32 regiments for later in the wars, however I'm looking for a source that has the cuff/collar colors for the regiments in the earliest days of the war. I suppose that would mean before and during Jena and Auerstadt.

If anyone happens to know that they simply were the same throughout, that would settle this easily!

Any help would be much appreciated!

Camcleod13 Jan 2015 6:47 p.m. PST

The Prussians for 1806 would mainly be in bicorne hats.

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Later 1812-15 infantry wore the shako or caps.

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Are they 15mm Old Glory ? Then they would be for the later period.

Gunny8713 Jan 2015 7:55 p.m. PST

Also Landwehr only made their appearance in 1813 and were part of the 1810 reforms.

von Winterfeldt14 Jan 2015 12:27 a.m. PST

the so called New Prussian army (1808 and alter) is completly different to the Old Prussian army of before.

For a complete list and illustrations go to

napoleon-online.de and then go for the "Hild" illustrations and information about the 1806 campaign

parksd7014 Jan 2015 1:59 p.m. PST

Thanks guys! Helps a lot!

I know many Prussian units lost the flags during the earlier war disaster….Anyone have any idea as to what regiments retained the colors and continued their use in the later war?

Thanks!

huevans01114 Jan 2015 5:05 p.m. PST

Note that all regts were renamed after 1807. Some flags were retained in service, but the uniforms and names of the regts would be totally different and new.

Gunny8714 Jan 2015 5:47 p.m. PST

The Prussian Infantry Regiments prior to 1808 were named after their colonels-in-chief and were numbered 1-60. From 1808 onwards the army was reduced to 12 line regiments and they were given provincial names instead. IIRC there was also a new issue of colors to each regiment.

parksd7014 Jan 2015 5:47 p.m. PST

Thanks huevans011! Any sources that could help me match units to the flag they used? I've found a lot from Napflags/Warflag, but there are only a few sets for later infantry regiments.

Thanks!

Gunny8714 Jan 2015 5:57 p.m. PST

The reserve regiments were incorporated into the line in 1814 & were numbered 13-24. In 1815 line regiments 25-32 were added from the regions acquired in 1814.

parksd7014 Jan 2015 5:57 p.m. PST

So I guess my lingering issue is finding something reliable that shows the later prussian regiments and their colors.

parksd7014 Jan 2015 6:45 p.m. PST

Last thing then….info on regiments and their matching flags as well as cuffs and collar colors.

Thanks!

Camcleod14 Jan 2015 7:37 p.m. PST

parksd70

For 1815 see the Mont Ste. Jean site.
These are the later numbers for the Prussian Regts. as noted above. The Prussian Guard and Grenadiers are not shown as they were not involved during the 100 days.
centjours.mont-saint-jean.com

Gunny8714 Jan 2015 9:03 p.m. PST

Post 1808 provincial facing colors per Osprey MAA,
E. Prussia: dull orange 1,3,4,5
Pomeranian: white 2,9,14,21
W. Prussia: carmine 6,7,16,17
Colberg: white
Silesia: yellow 10,11,13,15
Brandenburg/Guard: poppy red 8,12,20,24
1814
Magdeburg: Lt. Blue 26,27,31,32
Westphalia: pink 18,19,28,29
Rhine: madder red 22,23,25,30
(numbers are regimental numbers for 1815 though actual uniforms with these facings for the 100 days is in doubt)

Gunny8714 Jan 2015 9:06 p.m. PST

Also the Landwehr would use the provincial facing colors.

Oliver Schmidt15 Jan 2015 12:49 a.m. PST

An overview of the Prussian flags and standards pre and post 1806 can be found in Peter Hofschröer's Men-at-Arms "Prussian Staff & Specialist Troops 1791-1815", pp. 37-43.

On p. 38, it also states which earlier coloures were worn by which infantry regiments after 1808.

parksd7015 Jan 2015 4:30 a.m. PST

Thanks everyone very much, pretty much everything I needed at this point!

Love the mont-saint-jean site…excellent resource!

Marc the plastics fan15 Jan 2015 6:53 a.m. PST

The 1806 uniforms are cool though grin and I much prefer to paint them, only downside being it has made me look at my French in shakos and want to replace with bicornes…

parksd7015 Jan 2015 9:23 a.m. PST

I do enjoy a good Bicorne! A big reason I decided to add some Saxon infantry to my collection!

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