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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Jan 2015 3:29 p.m. PST

Language is always interesting to me.

Recently, someone complained about "sexism" due to the use of the terms pussification and pussies on the forum.

A quick check of the dictionary confirmed that one of the meanings of "pussy" is "scared little boy," so I overuled the complaint. After all, pussy also means cat, so calling someone a pussy can be equivalent to scaredycat.

However, on further researching the topic, I've decided that pussy in modern culture is far more linked to womanhood. Therefore, calling someone a "pussy" will from now on be against forum rules, on grounds of sexism.

mpanko11 Jan 2015 3:50 p.m. PST

So Bill I have to ask…when you started this site many moons ago did you ever think you would need to be the moral police on this forum? For a very niche hobby our community seems to have some particular challenges in being civil.

I think this site is a wonderful enduring asset to our community and regardless of the various dramas that pop up now and again I think overall the hobby is better for it.

+1 granted to your resilience rating.


Mike

Maddaz111 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member11 Jan 2015 3:51 p.m. PST

Agree,

Is Chicken still legal? – as in XXXXX is a Chicken? or should we just agree that playground style name calling (except when obviously in jest) is not appropriate for the forums, a place of sober and erudite discussion.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Jan 2015 3:57 p.m. PST

when you started this site many moons ago did you ever think you would need to be the moral police on this forum?

Not in a million years!

Rebelyell2006 Inactive Member11 Jan 2015 3:59 p.m. PST

For a very niche hobby our community seems to have some particular challenges in being civil.

No more than any other I've been in. But then again most of the online communities I've joined have not been as active in making the website civil. Perhaps it appears to be an issue to you because civility is being enforced here, and thus is forefront in your mind.

14Bore11 Jan 2015 4:05 p.m. PST

Bill@ Even if I hated my job I doubt I would trade it for yours.
It has to be very trying at times.

Major General Stanley11 Jan 2015 4:36 p.m. PST

There is a certain irony discussing sexism on this site while the hot chick in the ad beside the discussion points out that she would like to cheat with men over 40. Just sayin…

Tin hat11 Jan 2015 4:42 p.m. PST

Can you still call someone a Bleeped text then?


…..Seems not.

By the way I get adverts for red diesel which is illegal to use here unless you are a farmer.

Rebelyell2006 Inactive Member11 Jan 2015 4:42 p.m. PST

Apparently not.

Personal logo Sue Kes Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2015 4:44 p.m. PST

"For a very niche hobby our community seems to have some particular challenges in being civil."

My god you should see the model horse collectors' forums. Think we're sometimes uncivil? Some of them are every form of b***h you can imagine and they are more than happy to destroy reputations and lie through their teeth to do it.

Sorry. Rant. Done now.

Personal logo Weasel Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2015 4:50 p.m. PST

If you prefer a community with absolutely no rules on what is okay, there's always 4chan and 8chan.
Just.. you know.. mind the neo-nazis and pedo's.

Personal logo Cyrus the Great Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2015 4:59 p.m. PST

What about the band Pussy Riot?

MH Dee11 Jan 2015 5:03 p.m. PST

I was always under the assumption that it was derived from 'don't be like a little pussycat', having heard it from other kids when I grew up that wouldn't have known what the alternative even was. I certainly never recall anyone being reprimanded for using it in school or anything.

MH Dee11 Jan 2015 5:04 p.m. PST

Or Pussy Galore

Rebelyell2006 Inactive Member11 Jan 2015 5:10 p.m. PST

I was always under the assumption that it was derived from 'don't be like a little pussycat', having heard it from other kids when I grew up that wouldn't have known what the alternative even was.

The American equivalent of a British word starting with "c".

MH Dee11 Jan 2015 5:19 p.m. PST

I do know what that interpretation means you know.

It was the source of 'don't be a pussy'I was thinking of. It doesn't reference that.

And yes, we use pussy for that over here too. The C word you are using tends to get used as a term of abuse. I would avoid using the C word to a UK woman if you were talking intimately, and use the P word instead, btw

Personal logo Virtualscratchbuilder Supporting Member of TMP Fezian11 Jan 2015 5:40 p.m. PST

Can I say "bum"?

No.. oh, I suppose so.

"Bum". "Buuum".

"Bum"

"Bum""Bum""Bum""Bum""Bum""Bum""Bum""Bum"

All right! All right…. that's enough.

"Big badddy buooo bum poooo lumpy pa"

I said enough! SMACK!

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2015 6:05 p.m. PST

Bill,
SWMBO thanks you, because in many ways it is an insulting terms to her sex.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Jan 2015 6:11 p.m. PST

…the hot chick in the ad beside the discussion points out that she would like to cheat with men over 40. Just sayin…

Send me enough info, and I'll ban that one.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2015 6:14 p.m. PST

Therefore, calling someone a "pussy" will from now on be against forum rules, on grounds of sexism.

No. Don't do that.
You are giving in to the "heckler's veto".
Don't let one person getting their knickers in a knot determine policy.
A pussy is a wimp and if anyone gets offended that is their problem.

Reverse a Custer decision. grin

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2015 6:15 p.m. PST

Or put it to a Poll.

sjwalker38 Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2015 6:49 p.m. PST

…the hot chick in the ad beside the discussion points out that she would like to cheat with men over 40. Just sayin…

Just send me enough information, and I won't ban that one: I'm still getting bl&@dy adverts for hoodies and mobile phone deals, which as a 'well over 40-something' single are of far less relevance to me than hot chicks, cheating or otherwise, of whatever nationality.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Jan 2015 6:56 p.m. PST

Just send me enough information, and I won't ban that one: I'm still getting bl&@dy adverts for hoodies and mobile phone deals, which as a 'well over 40-something' single are of far less relevance to me than hot chicks, cheating or otherwise, of whatever nationality.

There's a simple remedy to your problem… TMP link

As for the "she would like to cheat with men over 40" banner, I just checked the Dating Ads, and it isn't in that category.

zippyfusenet Inactive Member11 Jan 2015 7:02 p.m. PST

Sue, thanks for putting this place in some perspective.

Bill, can we say 'wussey'? That's another one of very few English words that are generally pronounced with an umlaut. I like the sound

Wuss-wuss-wuss-wussey.

Personal logo gamertom Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2015 8:56 p.m. PST

OK Bill I just reread the Rules of Conduct in the FAQ and can see what you may be basing this decision on (though I would consider use of this term more vulgarity than sexism).

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Jan 2015 9:55 p.m. PST

Actually, I think I confused two rules.

We have a rule that members who consistently express certain views – including sexism – will be expelled.

That suggests that sexism is at least discouraged on our forums… grin

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2015 10:39 p.m. PST

Add it to the Bleep-o-matic so there is no question.

goragrad11 Jan 2015 10:57 p.m. PST

Not a term I use due to the reference to 'lady parts,' but banning it???

Rabbit 312 Jan 2015 3:51 a.m. PST

A pussy is a wimp and if anyone gets offended that is their problem.

I know a big tomcat that might want to dispute that statement!

Personal logo Florida Tory Supporting Member of TMP12 Jan 2015 5:44 a.m. PST

I do not understand; I thought that calling someone something in a derogatory manner was already a violation of forum rules as a personal attack.

Rick

deephorse12 Jan 2015 7:40 a.m. PST

Indeed.

Old Slow Trot Inactive Member12 Jan 2015 8:07 a.m. PST

Reminds me of a classic George Carlin bit,his "Incomplete List of Impolite Words."

Some Chicken12 Jan 2015 11:35 a.m. PST

Give me strength. Whenever I consider becoming a Supporting Member, something like this comes along to remind me why I haven't done it before.

Lee Brilleaux Fezian12 Jan 2015 11:53 a.m. PST

What he said.

Seriously, I enjoy TMP less and less.

Personal logo Cyrus the Great Supporting Member of TMP12 Jan 2015 12:52 p.m. PST

Seriously, I enjoy TMP less and less.

@Mexican Jack Squint
Can I take your unenjoyed, enjoyment time and add it to my enjoyment time? It seems a shame to let it all go to waste!

sjwalker38 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jan 2015 4:21 p.m. PST

Can we still refer to older members of the Princess Royal's Volunteer Corps as FANYs ?

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Jan 2015 6:49 p.m. PST

Interestingly enough, the thesaurus.com Word Quiz of the Day today features …

pusillanimous

… meaning cowardly, from the Latin words meaning "small spirited" as opposed to the other word we are talking about which comes from the Dutch/Low German anatomical name for the vulva, puse.

Bill is right. Words and language are interesting. These two terms converged and conflated meanings.


Edit: I just noticed my page banner ad is from "Offensive Miniatures". Nice fantasy football teams, there … :)

Glenn M Inactive Member14 Jan 2015 5:52 a.m. PST

Let's just avoid using degrading comments period and it won't be a problem lol.

OSchmidt Inactive Member14 Jan 2015 6:40 a.m. PST

Heh, Heh, Heh, Knew this was coming.

I rather think we're getting to the point where it would be easier to print a lexicon of words that can be used.

I'm with Mexican Jack.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Jan 2015 8:31 a.m. PST

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Pyrate Captain10 Oct 2017 9:52 p.m. PST

I read this post and had to laugh. Is this what society has degenerated into?

When is it right to sling insults? To the point when an oppoent's honour justifies a response.

What should that response be? Whatever the offended feels justified to restore honour.

All this political correctness is rubbish. Society can't protect a man's honour. Only the man can, by whatever means.

Bronco Betty11 Oct 2017 7:26 a.m. PST

@ Pyrate Captain

And only a woman can defend her honour, unless she has been made into a weakling by the same society.

BB

Legion 411 Oct 2017 8:09 a.m. PST

To the point when an oppoent's honour justifies a response.

What should that response be? Whatever the offended feels justified to restore honour.

All this political correctness is rubbish. Society can't protect a man's honour. Only the man can, by whatever means.

From what I can see … there seems to be little if any honor left in society … You can add respect and civility to that list. I'm sure there are more … but that is off the top of my head … evil grin

Personal logo Mardaddy Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2017 10:14 a.m. PST

"little if any honor left in society"

…could also be known as the, "death of shame," my own preferred way of saying we've lost a sense of weight in how our character is valued by ourselves and others.

Legion 411 Oct 2017 1:06 p.m. PST

Yes, that is a good way to put it Mardaddy … Sadly some just don't see or get it …

Elbow Mac11 Oct 2017 2:31 p.m. PST

Indeed, in the past if you did something stupid you hoped no-one noticed now it is essential to parade it all over the internet, it's almost as if ignorance and stupidity are now a virtue.
Fame is all, even if you are famous for being thick. Apparently this makes you a celebrity.

It is also necessary to share with all every aspect of your life, however tedious.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2017 8:07 p.m. PST

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise."
That was Socrates, some 2500 years ago. And similar sentiments have been repeated ever since.

Indeed, in the past…
keep believing that if it's a comfort. We haven't changed as much as you think. Possibly you are not a student of Ancient Rome & unaware of the shenanigans of much of the ruling class over several centuries? I use this as one of many examples.

Of course,it is not unusual for elderly people to confuse changes in society with some sort of erosion: "In my day….." (cut to tedious & exaggerated observations about my Golden Youth).
I will agree that there have been some changes. Take respect. In the recent past, it was expected that respect was given automatically & not earned.

Once, for example, many people would respect a uniform but ignore the person inside. Enough servicemen & women & police have acted abominably for the average person to look further than a mere uniform. I think the contemporary feel is that you, the individual, needs to be worthy of respect. If you feel you're not getting the respect you deserve, you may need to look at yourself.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2017 8:18 p.m. PST

Here's someone I respect: his actions earned him virtually everyone's respect.They even made a movie about him that Joe Public (disrespectful lout that he/she is) in large numbers went to see & enjoy. Like many people today, I choose who I respect rather than being told.

picture

Personal logo piper909 Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2017 10:28 p.m. PST

I always figured outright insults, gratuitous insults in particular involving vulgar expressions, were already verboten on TMP? (And justly so.) It's a bit news to me that this particular word/phrase is only now coming to Ye Ed's attention.

If mere sexism is the issue, then it would be consistent to DH perps using P**** as well as D***.

Note: We should permanently dawghouse the Dutch, they seem to have given English most of its favorite "four-letter words."

deephorse12 Oct 2017 6:16 a.m. PST

It's a bit news to me that this particular word/phrase is only now coming to Ye Ed's attention

You do realise that this topic was started in January 2015?

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