YogiBearMinis | 07 Jan 2015 7:46 a.m. PST |
The dedicated WFB forums are all erupting on several rumors, from supposedly reliable sources (ie, long-time forum participants with solid track records of accurate insider information), that 9th edition will be released next summer and will bring a complete overhaul to the game, including new bases, collapsing of factions/armies, and more skirmish-friendly rules. Another rumor suggests that the plan will not instantly invalidate 8th edition armies or books, but that the new game is meant to supplement and gradually supplant the old. link |
YogiBearMinis | 07 Jan 2015 7:48 a.m. PST |
By the way, I am reporting the RUMOR and the discussion, so please don't be a troll and just bash me for reporting NEWS when I am reporting the existence of discussions of RUMORS. |
MongooseMatt | 07 Jan 2015 7:54 a.m. PST |
We've been hearing the same traffic behind the scenes for the past few months as well. Nothing confirmed though. |
Psycho Rabbit | 07 Jan 2015 8:01 a.m. PST |
My inside source tells me The End Times is a precursor to what's to come. Big things for the Dwarves, literally. |
Landorl | 07 Jan 2015 8:14 a.m. PST |
That is a bit of a change. Usually they like to invalidate all of your old armies each time. |
Deeman | 07 Jan 2015 9:11 a.m. PST |
Rebirth or death throes. This will be interesting to watch. |
John the OFM | 07 Jan 2015 9:19 a.m. PST |
So, this will be a little more extreme than "Oh, darn it! No Forest Goblins in this edition!" What is to prevent people who do not like the Change from playing the old edition they like? ((Yeah, yeah. I know. Silly question.)) |
axabrax | 07 Jan 2015 9:54 a.m. PST |
I would say that the End Times supplements are already big changes, so this isn't really news to anyone who's been following the fluff. The rumors about the new edition have also been around for about six months. At my local store what they're doing seems to be revitalizing the game. We shall see… |
Garand | 07 Jan 2015 10:21 a.m. PST |
If this is true, I'll probably drop out of fantasy gaming completely. Damon. |
waaslandwarrior | 07 Jan 2015 10:29 a.m. PST |
We just started playing WFB again! But we use 5th edition for a campaign we started just before Christmas. Each to his own… |
Mako11 | 07 Jan 2015 11:47 a.m. PST |
Gotta pay for those expensive European, or other expensive location vacations somehow. |
KatieL | 07 Jan 2015 12:04 p.m. PST |
"drop out of fantasy gaming completely." Just take up playing 3rd Edition like the cool kids are all doing. Or switch to Fantasy Warriors like the even cooler kids do. There's a surprise if you do these things -- you no longer have to buy figures from Games Workshop. You can buy Alternative or Grenadier or Hasslefree or Black Tree… the hobby suddenly gets cheaper! |
Knight of St John | 07 Jan 2015 12:04 p.m. PST |
If they go do this I'm going to cry. |
Roosta | 07 Jan 2015 12:10 p.m. PST |
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boy wundyr x | 07 Jan 2015 1:27 p.m. PST |
FWIW I like the WHFB setting, but my project is in 6mm with Mighty Armies as the rules. So another +1 for Katie. |
JezEger | 07 Jan 2015 1:27 p.m. PST |
Sounds like it will be a different game altogether, which is good. I preferred it as the early mass skirmish rather than the huge battalions it became. WFB was becoming stale and not played much, plus too many cheaper alternatives. I think it is a case of change or die anyway. Don't see why you can't carry on playing as you are now if you enjoy it. I doubt there will be a shortage of models on the market anytime soon. |
The Beast Rampant | 07 Jan 2015 2:07 p.m. PST |
"Skirmish friendly rules"? Does this mean they've rediscovered the concept of the gateway drug? Nah, just monkeys and typewriters. Next up: spun sugar is the new FineCast! The detail is amazing! All non water-soluble GW miniatures are banned from official tournaments. |
chuck05 | 07 Jan 2015 2:35 p.m. PST |
Just take up playing 3rd Edition like the cool kids are all doing. Or switch to Fantasy Warriors like the even cooler kids do.There's a surprise if you do these things -- you no longer have to buy figures from Games Workshop. You can buy Alternative or Grenadier or Hasslefree or Black Tree… the hobby suddenly gets cheaper! Sure just go down to your local game store (if you have one) and get a pick up game of 3rd edition. What if you dont know anyone else that has a 25 year old 3rd edition rule book to play against? people like to keep current with games like WHF and 40k because they can walk into almost any shop and find a game. If you have the luxury of a group of gaming friends then that is less important to you probably. |
Mithmee | 07 Jan 2015 7:57 p.m. PST |
I like these comments from the link. 9th edition will have 6 factions. Many existing models are not usable in 9th. So we should be looking at: Dark Elves Chaos Human Scum Undead Orks & Goblins Demons Sorry Dwarves you are going the way of the Squats. Oh and all of you who spent hundreds of dollars on those huge Monsters you could be out of luck come 9th Edition. This is GW and the one thing that they are really good at is screwing over their customers. |
Mithmee | 07 Jan 2015 7:58 p.m. PST |
so please don't be a troll and just bash me Never would do that. Bashing GW on the other hand is loads of fun. Oh and this looks like I will get to bash them a lot later this year. |
Dan 055 | 07 Jan 2015 11:10 p.m. PST |
Many existing models are not usable in 9th What a surprise. "There's one born every minute". |
chuck05 | 07 Jan 2015 11:31 p.m. PST |
So we should be looking at:Dark Elves Chaos Human Scum Undead Orks & Goblins Demons Sorry Dwarves you are going the way of the Squats. According to rumors the breakdown is as follows: 1.all elves combined into one army 2. All chaos under one army 3 empire and Bretonia with dwarf and ogre allies 4. all undead in one army with most tomb kings gone. 5 orcs and goblins 6 skaven supposedly Lizardmen are gone for the time being due to the End of Times books. Other rumors include shifting from square basing to round basing similar to the War of the Ring basing style. Also that most of the existing Warhammer product line is going to be discontinued. They are also going to trash the entire backstory and move the timeline 200 years itno the future. All of this is rumor and heresay but I still wont be buying anything for Warhammer until more concrete details emerge. |
McWong73 | 07 Jan 2015 11:43 p.m. PST |
Well, if it means you can get the discontinued ranges on the cheap, that's a good thing. Though for Oldhammer I may prefer 6th ed, is that the one that brought in outnumbering as a combat res bonus? Rather liked that, made big infantry blocks more viable. |
The Colonel | 07 Jan 2015 11:59 p.m. PST |
This sounds more and more like the kind of radical change which could just kill their hobby completely. What will they be able to offer which others, e.g. Mantic, are not doing? Like it or not, the depth of the Warhammer "history" is what differentiates GW. If they get rid of it, what's left? The rules are hardly innovative, the figures are over-priced…Oldhammer here I come. The Colonel |
(Phil Dutre) | 08 Jan 2015 12:56 a.m. PST |
Warhammer will publish a new edition, with all sorts of "radical" changes, and making current army books unusable? Yawn! Hasn't this been going on for, like, 20 years or so? Every generation of Warhammer players has to go through this cycle one or two times before they either quit the hobby or switch to proper wargaming. |
KatieL | 08 Jan 2015 3:08 a.m. PST |
"Sure just go down to your local game store (if you have one) and get a pick up game of 3rd edition. What if you dont know anyone else that has a 25 year old 3rd edition rule book to play against?" If only there was a some sort of way of connecting computers together so that they could talk to someone who runs, ohh I don't know -- some sort of auction site where people can sell stuff they don't want. Like old rulebooks. |
KatieL | 08 Jan 2015 3:09 a.m. PST |
Oh, and "Fantasy Warriors" is a free downloadable stack of PDFs, and TBH, I think it's better. |
Freak from Vienna | 08 Jan 2015 5:48 a.m. PST |
Moving the timeline forward, largely reworking the game? Oh, I'm sure it's going to to wonders for WHFB. Sort of like 4th ed. did for D&D… |
chuck05 | 08 Jan 2015 7:36 a.m. PST |
@KatieL: True you can find anything on EBAy. Getting someone else to play is another thing. I still stand by my overall point that people like playing games like Warhammer, 40k and Flames of War because they are popular and easily accessible. You can walk into almost any game store and find someone who plays and can easily get product. They dont want to hunt around on EBAY just to get a basic rule book that is increasingly rare to find. True Fantay Warriors is free. Great. In my experience getting GW and Warmahordes players to switch to something other than "their" game is like pulling teeth. Most arent even aware there are other games beyond what is stocked at the local game store. |
YogiBearMinis | 08 Jan 2015 7:49 a.m. PST |
I troll the Warhammer forums and the player base there is like 1/2 Magic The Gathering CCG in nature, 1/4 collectors, and 1/4 minis gamers like those on TMP. The collectors and minis gamers will be fine and will roll with whatever happens, especially because they are knowingly participating in the Warhammer universe. The CCG-types really seem to lack awareness of their hobby outside of their narrow participation in the WFB niche. |
Capt Flash | 08 Jan 2015 8:17 a.m. PST |
6th Editition for me. Getting people to commit is always the major issue I have around here… -Edgar |
wizbangs | 08 Jan 2015 10:53 a.m. PST |
Putting all their Warhammer eggs into a skirmish system because no one buys their expensive models to build armies anymore. Like the original LOTR, Mordheim or the old 3rd edition Chaos war bands? Yes, those were all a smashing financial success, weren't they? They think their profit margin will benefit by getting into the arena with the likes of Chronopia or Hordes? This throws the door wide open for a competitor (Kings of War) to fill the gap. |
Zephyr1 | 08 Jan 2015 3:29 p.m. PST |
"Many existing models are not usable in 9th." The secret chemistry of Finecast is designed to make the minis crumble into powder after a few years… ;-) |
Patonius | 08 Jan 2015 3:34 p.m. PST |
Well, I just purchased WH 3rd edition, and WH Armies. I also purchased Armies of Arcana and a complete Lizardmen army. I am happy to keep playing with alternative or outdated rules…either way, I get to play the system I want, without worrying about upgrades by GW, or what that company model is. Worst case scenario, and some of the upcoming minis I want no longer become available, I'll buy alternative miniatures from other companies at a cheaper price… |
arthur1815 | 09 Jan 2015 9:53 a.m. PST |
The one thing we can be certain of is that the new rules, figures &c. will be even more expensive… |
Mithmee | 09 Jan 2015 10:45 a.m. PST |
That is so totally true. Instead of large armies you will now field 20-30 models but it will still cost you around $500 USD or more. |
Barin1 | 10 Jan 2015 7:25 a.m. PST |
I've tried to return to WHFB in 8th edition, but the crap of End Times and lack of (my own) time most likely is finishing it for me. If these rumours true, all of my armies will be gone/changed into something else…I still have tons of stuff to paint though…and invested in Rum and bobes kickstarter, so there is still some stuff I might play…or Mordheim… |
Blake Walker | 10 Jan 2015 3:54 p.m. PST |
Hah, I have over 4000 points worth of High Elves I don't play anymore. I've been using the OOP Warlord rules now. I traded away my WHFB Warriors of Chaos for a Menoth Protectorate army. I've gotten into Warmachine now, instead of Warhammer. And with the changes they're proposing, I won't get back into WHFB 9th edition, either. |
Your Kidding | 11 Jan 2015 5:16 p.m. PST |
Storm of Chaos, End times again. Hell, I'm just sticking w oldhammer until I see 9th edition at half price books. Hardest problem is finding folks who will play older editions. |
Thomas Thomas | 14 Jan 2015 3:20 p.m. PST |
Appears to be a giant over reaction to the problems caused by 8th Edition. This just need to fix "Horde/steadfast" rules and they might actually have a game worth playing again. (Well they need to tweek Magic rules also.) Sales down do to so many dropping game due to 8th Edition. They just need to fix not over haul. TomT |
Barin1 | 15 Jan 2015 5:10 a.m. PST |
It seems that they think that making WHFB similar to WH40K in terms of rules, will result in similar sales ;) Frankly, I find it hard to beleive that they're planning to destroy their fluff universe, that was created for 30 years – but it seems very in line with typical "effective management" strategies, used in other public owned companies. |
firstvarty1979 | 15 Jan 2015 7:25 a.m. PST |
If they go that far with changes to the game, I'll stick to 8th Edition. I'm not at all thrilled with their efforts with their "End of Days" campaign of late to have everybody with a Warhammer army being able to field all of their New Releases. Why even bother with any restrictions at all? They can keep that an these rumored changes as well. If only they had put all that effort into a new Beastmen book! |
Muerto | 17 Jan 2015 5:50 a.m. PST |
I was about to get upset until I remembered that I'm a Kings Of War player. A move to round bases should lead to an over-supply of square-based armies on ebay, meaning GW has made a move that will make their recent miniatures available at a reasonable price. Sweet irony. |
Barin1 | 17 Jan 2015 6:21 a.m. PST |
well, I'm not going to sell anything ;) and yes, I'm interested in some old bretonnian models that might pop up from rage-quitting players, but all in all I'm sad that a world I've known for 20 years is dying in spasms… |
David Johansen | 19 Jan 2015 7:12 p.m. PST |
I've got mixed feelings, good stories have endings. But I'd have gone the route where humanity overwhelms and outbreeds everyone else and wins. |
Jo Jo the Idiot Circus Boy | 12 Feb 2015 10:13 a.m. PST |
I've actually been getting the bug to try WFB again in the last few weeks. I'm glad I caught this bit of news here and on other forums before I did anything silly like buy a copy of the latest edition or, god forbid, start painting on a new army. (I already have enough WFB figures painted as it is) This will probably put me off going ahead with that project until I can see what direction they are going with the game before making up my mind. Of course the other option is to convince my group to play an older edition. Like others, I regard 3rd edition as a high point in the history of the game and would not mind trotting that one out again. Martin |
Mithmee | 12 Feb 2015 6:06 p.m. PST |
is dying in spasms… Thing is it started dying back at the end of 3rd Edition. |
Syrinx0 | 12 Feb 2015 8:16 p.m. PST |
Third edition is the last edition we played at our club. Forth died quickly and we continued to play 3rd until it quietly disappeared from the rotation. We never completely stopped playing WH40K as our kids like it though we stopped at version 6 there. I never did finish painting the new Skaven plastics I bought when we stopped playing. Maybe after I finish the historical armies (Sudan Highlanders, Sudanese and then Dacians ) I will dig out the WFB again. By then the 9th edition will be probably out anyway. |
Mithmee | 14 Feb 2015 6:34 p.m. PST |
Yes, but it will change WFB to something totally different. |
etotheipi | 15 Feb 2015 3:16 p.m. PST |
Awesome! When do the WFB players start dumping their minis on Ebay? |