"When Did "Apostles" Fall Out of Use?" Topic

…And before anyone says it, yes, I know it's not a contemporary term, but everybody knows what I am talking about.

I read somewhere the French bigwigs ordered charger bandoliers gone in the late 1670's (I think), though that didn't likely take effect for several years. I really can't find anything on other nationalities.

So, other than me having to squint at a bunch more pictures, does anyone have know of any documented evidence (or primary source scuttlebutt, or whatever) regarding when chargers were finally phased out? Were colonial troops using them later still?

When paper cartridges became available.

The phase out likely began in the 1660s, but I have seen documentation of their use up into the 1690s. There may be evidence to later usage.

Like many things in history, the transition likely moved in increments.

Bill is enacting his mandatory five-plus business day "cooling off period" before reactvating my membership. Apparently, he feels I only re-up in the heat of wanting to send off a barrage of hate-spewing PM's, and to streak the Lounge.

I can only imagine how many gloating, anti- FSU posts Smokey has made in my absence.

So, the upturn of such aggravation is, either the teacher reads your little note in front of the class, or I can't HEAR YOU. (fingers in ears)

Sweden doesn't count. They switched early, though they still pined for their crossbows, and courted the Queen of Battle longer than most.

I have some ideas:

First of all, why was the paper cartridge used?

You could prime and load your musket with the same grain powder.

Why is this important? It is faster.

There is also a rather obvious point not addressed here (although I think I brought this up in a post quite some time ago) and that is the relationship between the bandolier and the matchlock musket.

For most matchlocks, priming was done from a priming horn or flask, a much finer, and probably a more expensive powder (but not a lot needed.)

I have not seen many contemporary depictions of a matchlock loaded with a cartridge, let alone a firelock/flintlock with a bandolier.

The evolution of the flintlock, bayonet, paper cartridges all revolved, rather directly or indirectly, around the quality and quantity at which black powder could be produced. This in turn changed everything, and still did well into the 20th century.

If you are looking for something more specific, this book probably has it:

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I have not looked at my copy in a while, but it does have some good firearm evolution material in it.

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Sweden doesn't count. They switched early, though they still pined for their crossbows, and courted the Queen of Battle longer than most.

Actually the idea that Gustavus Adolphus reformed the Swedish infantry to use cartridges is one of several myths unsupported by historical evidence. A look at the extensive documentation surviving in the Swedish War Archive shows that the Swedish infantry used bandoliers as standard equipment into the 1670's

If you are looking for something more specific, this book probably has it:

Presumably because its coverage ends around 1600, the book, near as I can find via the index, only discusses cartridges wrt cannon, not small arms.