"Michiel Adriaenszn de Ruyter movie" Topic

To be honest I do not like the majority of Dutch movies, and I always find a lot of war movies, in general, very disappointing.
I consider Michiel de Ruyter as being the greatest hero of The Netherlands…….., so I have to admit I am both anxious and curious about the movie they made about him.
I definately will watch it, but I fear that I will be very disappointed afterwards.
Anyway, here are some trailers
YouTube link
YouTube link

Wow, that overhead shot of the two lines of battle was terrific. The proverbial 'money shot.'

The ships look at least good for the period.

Looks good to me!! Give it's entertainment you can overlook stuff like cannon causing what looks like bark chips to fly about our hero as opposed to the whirlwind of wooden dagger-shards caused by a real cannon ball hit on a wooden ship.

Release date is 29 January. That is just around the corner.

Thanks for the heads up.

Very cool! I hope this hits the Austin area and treats Prince Rupert well. Good de Ruyter look-a-like.

Tywin Lannister plays Charles II?

In the few brief glimpses the ads give, the ships don't look right at all. In fact, it looks like a mix of whatever tall ships they could gather for a movie. That worked pretty well in the Hornblower series, but it looks all wrong in this context. Ships in the 17th C. were taller, more bulbous, much more ornate, and browner.

- Ix

I agree the ships look off period. But budgets are budgets and computer animation probably costs to much.

I surmise there is no release for the U.S., too bad as the times and character portrayed make quite a story. I would even say De Ruyter may have been the best admiral of all times. Alas, de Ruyter was a devout Calvinist, so main stream cinema's obsession with the sensual would probably write this one off.

There are several actual 17th C. replicas around that might have been rented, borrowed, or stolen for the film:

Sadly, the full-size replica of De Zeven Provincien is still incomplete, and seems to be cursed.

- Ix

Will have to work on my Dutch

Well after seeing the two trailers, and the teasers on Youtube, I think this will be good enough for me. Ix is right that more attention to accurate ships might have been possible, but I can live with this. Besides, it's not like it is another Pirates of the Caribbean film, right?

Steve

Ohhh, shiny! I'll keep an eye out for the DVD release of that one. Doubt it will get released here either.

They used the Batavia (the second photo in Ix his message).
That is really a beautiful ship. They did use some powertools, but the construction of the ship and building materials used were all as original to the 17th century as known by the time they were building it.

Sadly the construction of De 7 Provinciën, as mentioned by Ix has been terminated on the Batavia shipyard early last year.

Many thanks for the videos!!!, I didn't know they were going to make a movie of Michiel de Ruyter

So the tight economy killed the 7 Provencien project?

So the tight economy killed the 7 Provencien project?

I do not know what the reason (or reasons) are that led to the termination of the project. Now they ran out of money. But there never seemed to be much progress in the whole project. I suspect that the departure of Willem Vos (the initatior of the Bataviawerf, and builder of the Batavia) did not do any good for the progress of the construction of the 7 Provinciën…, but that is just unfounded speculation from me…..

Tickets are reserved :)

After the ruyter got killed in a see batle the english fleet escorted him back to amsterdam just out of respect a rare thing now adays greetings serge joe

Just
, long forgotten first best ducth adimiral and do not forget te second best Willem Tromp And no pirates
Yes serge joe

Looking for this?

The caption at w:Raid on the Medway was: Dutch Attack on the Medway, June 1667 by Pieter Cornelisz van Soest, painted c. 1667. The captured ship Royal Charles is right of center. best to you al serge joe

This is the guy who broke the harbour chain! dreetings serge joe

Just for me the last one YouTube link the best to you al sege joe

Found the last one !!! YouTube link greetings serge joe

Want to see this one as wel YouTube link ? serge joe again

One day before they entered pirates wanted to enter he put butter on the upper deck his ship greetings serge joe

This is the guy who broke the harbour chain!

What do you mean Serge Joe? De Ruyter did not break any chain. He was not even near the action. He had been ill for several weeks before the raid, probably malaria and was unable to lead the attacking smaller ships up the river. So he stayed with the main force of bigger ships guarding the entrance of the Thames.
The chain was probably disabled by landing parties.

One day before they entered pirates wanted to enter he put butter on the upper deck his ship greetings serge joe

Well he once used Irish butter which had gone bad to ward of pirates from Dunkerque, but that was when he still was working as a merchant captain…, probably sailing for the Brothers Lampsins from Vlissingen (Flushing).
Michiel had part of his ship and rigging covered with this butter and as soon as the pirated boarded, they slipped, fell and could not fight. This way the boarding pirates were easily defeated and captured.
This event was written down by Gerard Brandt in 1687. (Het leven en bedrijf van den Heere Michiel de Ruyter). Brandt used oral sources (family of De Ruyter), but was therefore unable to give a date for the event described above.

long forgotten first best ducth adimiral

long forgotten?? No, what makes you think that…, that is in fact quite a silly thing to say I am afraid.

and do not forget te second best Willem Tromp

Who might that be?? Never heard of him…..
There was a very good "admiral" named Maerten Harpertszoon Tromp (1598-1653). From whom Michiel de Ruyter learned quite some things. They also had a good relationship.

The son of Maerten Harpertszoon was called Cornelis Tromp (1629-1691). He was no good admiral at all. He succeeded Michiel de Ruyter only because he had a famous father and he was favoured by king Willem III. Maybe because he had part in the assasination of Johan and Cornelis de Witt.
By the way, he also tried to assasinate Michiel de Ruyter.

After he succeeded Michiel, as being the highest commander of the navy, he luckely never sailed again or saw any active duty.
Eventually he was dismissed by Willem III and Cornelis died insane. I guess he really deserved that because Cornelis was an awful creep.

This is the guy who broke the harbour chain! some thing like this? YouTube link so no landing party greetings serge joe

This is the guy who broke the harbour chain! some thing like this? YouTube link so no landing party greetings serge joe

Maybe you should start watching your own link first Joe. Holdsworth says it is not clear wheter the chain was broken or released…., that is lost in history.
And maybe you should also start reading a bit about the subject as well.
Gerard Brandt describes in 1687 that the chain was released by landing parties under the command of rear admiral Vlug.
The breaking of the chain also had been attributed to captain Van Brakel, but his ship De Vrede had probably only a shallow draft and just sailed over the chain instead of breaking it.
The breaking also has been attributed to a captain Van den Rijn. So in fact it is not clear how the chain actually was damaged, but it certainly was not done by Michiel de Ruyter as he was nowhere near that action that moment.

reconstruction of the7 provincie and money i sabig problem YouTube link grteeings serge joe

reconstruction of the7 provincie and money i sabig problem YouTube link grteeings serge joe

Did you actually watch the link yourself Joe?????
There is hardly any mention about money, it is about a long lasting conflict between Willem Vos and his family with the management of the Batavia shipyard.
(Willem Vos is the founder of this shipyard and the builder of the Batavia)
And it is quite suggestive that this is the main reason why the construction of the 7 Provinciën did not progress well.
The comments under the video speak for themselves.

Why is it that you keep writing these unfounded or even false oneliners here? Do you actually speak Dutch??????

Yes I am proud of it there is a saying in the Netherlands if you aint dutch you aint much best to al serge joe

There is no talking about money but as far as my info goes it was a lot of money was not a hollywood product but for our standards a lot greetings the serge joe

if you aint dutch you aint much

Well that is quite a stupid saying….but somehow I am not surprised that you are writing this down.
Mind you, I am Dutch too, and I never heard it, luckily.

And there is nothing wrong with being proud on your country and its history, but might I suggest that you do some research before you start posting things about history that are utterly silly and wrong.

Or to put it otherwise:
Je klinkt als een domme middelbare scholier wiens kennis niet dieper gaat dan de dikte van een vloeitje en alleen maar wat roept om lawaai te maken.
Admiraal Willem Tromp???????
Een vaag verhaal over boter wat niemand hier kan begrijpen???
Michiel de Ruyter die een ketting doorvaart????
Man,lees eens een paar boeken en ga je schoolgeld terughalen!!!

An you can get the models from War Artisan:

warartisan.com/home

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monash1916
Zelf ik kan fouten maken hopelijk betrap ik u in de tokeomst niet!

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Well that is quite a stupid saying….but somehow I am not surprised that you are writing this down.
Mind you, I am Dutch too, and I never heard it, luckily.

And there is nothing wrong with being proud on your country and its history, but might I suggest that you do some research before you start posting things about history that are utterly silly and wrong.

Or to put it otherwise:
Je klinkt als een domme middelbare scholier wiens kennis niet dieper gaat dan de dikte van een vloeitje en alleen maar wat roept om lawaai te maken.
Admiraal Willem Tromp???????
Een vaag verhaal over boter wat niemand hier kan begrijpen???
Michiel de Ruyter die een ketting doorvaart????
Man,lees eens een paar boeken en ga je schoolgeld terughalende groeten serge joe

Well, serge joe has earned himself a stifle&ignore.

O k Gents
I made alot of mistakes in this topic sorry about would not happen again greetings any way serge joe

Color me very excited about this! I just received my copies of " a distant storm" and " sea battles in the Dutch Golden age. I'm very keen on the looks of the ships during this period. Like wedding cakes of doom!

And thanks everyone for the cool pics!
Cheers
Ths

Well, serge joe has earned himself a stifle&ignore.

Well not by me, I never stifled or ignored anybody here. 😃

O k Gents
I made alot of mistakes in this topic sorry about would not happen again greetings any way serge joe

Everybody makes mistakes and everybody is entitled to make them, that is not the point….., it was the way you stated things that got me annoyed for a moment Joe.
Greetings, Monash 😎

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monash1916
Zelf ik kan fouten maken hopelijk betrap ik u in de tokeomst niet!

Beste Joe,
Natuurlijk kan "zelfs jij" fouten maken.😏
Ik maak zelf natuurlijk ook fouten, net als iedereen.
En als jij me op een fout betrapt, zoals je dat zelf noemt, dan hoor ik dat graag van je. Geen probleem, het is geen wedstrijd.😃
Groetjes,
Monash
P.S: puur uit nieuwsgierigheid, doe je zelf aan Age of Sail naval wargames? (Napoleontisch of Nederlands-Engelse oorlogen)

Joe, Monash,
I understand you both getting hot under the collar when someone goes for one of our hero's. But this is a hobby site.
I have learnt so much on this site and this thread. I hope you are not taking bits out of each another in Dutch. As you are using Dutch this is what I am thinking. Please stop the flying handbags. Please think, we live in a free part of the world. We can say and think as we will. Come on shake hands and move on my friends. I wish you both the best.
Be safe
Rory

Gents, this movie 8 million euros up to dependingon the visitors greetings serge joe

I finally went to watch the movie yesterday and I must say I really liked it.
Of course there were historical inaccuracies and other issues one could criticize, but as a whole I really liked the movie and I will definately buy it on blu ray.
(I like playing movies when painting.)

The movie trailers included a version with English subtitles. Unfortunately nothing in the US. Maybe a future DVD that can play in the US?

The few English reviews I did find were positive. The criticisms are what I would expect for a commercial cinematic endeavor. I can live with that.

De Ruyter's real life story would match any Jack Aubrey or Horatio Hornblower fiction.

Will I be lucky and I'll can watch in Spanish? hopefully!

Will I be lucky and I'll can watch in Spanish? hopefully!

Not sure. Remember the helper of Sinterklaas (St.Nicholas) is Zwarte Piet who carries naughty children off to Spain in a sack. Yes, the Dutch have been scarred by the 80 Years War…..

Wow this looks good

Guys, guys, this is the War Room! We can't have fighting in here!
Besides, I've heard some Texans say, "If you ain't from Texas, you ain't even worth cowflop!"
Or to quote Dee Snyder of Twisted Sister, "If it ain't Metal, it's CRAPPP!"
Most of us Americans take such with a grain of salt.
Besides, everybody knows that we humble Pennsylvanians are
God's gift to civilization. <VBG>

Anyway, very nice looking film, I hope it makes its way here to the Colonies (with suitable subtitles for us less-than-cosmopolitan sesqui-ligual 'Mericans).