"Captive " Topic

Superb painting job here.
54mm

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Amicalement
Armand

I agree.

that is good, particularly the facial expressions….

Excellent, sculpt, paint, composition all the way around,

9,9,8,9 and a 6 from the Russian judge.

Otto

Happy you enjoyed it boys.
The woman expression is great!.

Amicalement
Armand

Question… were there blond Indians on those days?

I asked because here, in the Pampas, there were a lot of blond indians because of the "Malones"… and women prisioners.

Amicalement
Armand

I'm going to assume this is at least loosely based on this incident/painting:

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So now to pick the nits (don't read if that annoys you), which in my case all revolve around the coat that fellow is wearing. What is it? It kind of looks like a Royal American coat, but the buttons are gold/brass, which would be incorrect. He also has two epaulets on his shoulders, that would only come from a flank company officer – but are not correct for the F&I period, if that is what this is supposed to be.

His skirts are white, which should be blue if F&I. He has what appears to be a fall collar, which again is incorrect for F&I. Also, no slashes on the cuff sleeves.

If this is Rev War, the facings seem to be too long and wide. The vertical pockets would also appear to be wrong for a later period, as are the lack of pinned back/longer skirts, though the front part of the skirt appears to be pinned back for some reason.

Maybe it is loosely based on something from Burgoyne's expedition, I don't know.

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Still, superbly painted. I just wish these guys would call me before sculpting a figure in an 18th century coat – especially British. :-)

Here is a beautiful rendition of this kit, link but I agree that the indian is dressed very badly and I sold this kit for this very reason.One of the problems is that alot of indian kits are made by european companies (I think this is from Russia)and they really don't research well.
Mark

Thank you for your feedback!
Look at the pictures used by sculptor. And that I used when drawing.

Sergey… you are great!. (smile)
Fan of your painting jobs!

Amicalement
Armand

I'm well aware of that coat. Seen it in person. That was an Indian Agent's coat. Would hardly have been worn by an Indian. It is also a Rev War coat, not F&I – though as I said, I was not sure what period you were portraying.

Perhaps you were confused that an Indian would wear an Indian agent's coat? Not unless he killed him. Most regimental coats were taken off of dead enemies and worn as a sign of defiance – as shown in the Griffing paintings.

So what period is this supposed to be?

Also, those facings would have stopped at about his hip bones and the skirts just a bit longer still. That's what is so confusing with the sculpt, as they both look longer. The real coats is very small, so unless this fellow is tinier still… :-)

I will not argue with you :)

Did you make this figure?

Not arguing. Trying to help put your outstanding talents on the right track.

There was no formal uniform for Indian Agents. I have to wonder how often he even wore that coat – which probably explains why it survived.

Here is a period painting of another Indian agent:

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Here is a great portrait of Sir William Johnson, the chief Crown Indian agent:

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Sergey,you did a 3 figure vignette of indians which is fantastic sergeypopovichenko.blogspot.it but this indian just doesn't look right IMO.Sorry
Mark

I would agree, the others look good.

I think you depended on the Indian Agent coat a bit too much, perhaps not fully understanding what it was (and was not).

Friends, I am not a sculptor. I just paint.

A superb painter for sure.
Mark

You are an outstanding painter. I really wish sculptors would take a bit more time to do some research.

Almost like a coat from a Reg't of Horse!

The coat is accurate for the Indian Agent coat it is based upon – thought that was unofficial. You see a number of drawings/paintings of coats modified to look like that during the Rev War.