"Nikopol 1877 - Russo-Turkish War scenario" Topic
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ChrisBBB | 02 Jan 2015 5:24 a.m. PST |
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KTravlos | 02 Jan 2015 12:10 p.m. PST |
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ChrisBBB | 03 Jan 2015 3:01 a.m. PST |
You're welcome, KT. I'd like to think it might even get played in Istanbul some time. :-) Chris |
KTravlos | 04 Jan 2015 10:15 a.m. PST |
Chris, would you be willing to make a stab at creating a scenario for the 1871 Commune? The potential forces were considerable. A scenario would probably be better focused on the early stage (The fighting over the forts)rather than the later stage, but one could have a mini campaign. Even a what if, with the Communards marching on Versailles |
ChrisBBB | 04 Jan 2015 11:10 a.m. PST |
Well, there's an interesting thought. The idea has been mentioned in our club before, but only in jest. I suppose the scale of the casualties the suppression of the Commune was both big and bloody, though, and might provide a BBB scenario. It would probably need some creative scenario special rules, but could be worth the effort to create such a unique game. Can you recommend any good source for a detailed military history of the Commune? Chris |
KTravlos | 04 Jan 2015 4:20 p.m. PST |
I have read a bunch of books but none are exactly a military history. The idea actually came to me from reading the graphic novel The Cry of the People (illustrated by Tardi). But from what I saw in the novel and from some snooping on the net, there were some actions that given better strategic leadership for the Communards could lead to major battles (an attempted march against Versailles by 20k communards). They had some committed officers but the anarchist communal streak made it hard to mobilise and concentrate troops. But they did have potentially 200k troops against the 170k of the Republican Goverment. And we are still talking the battles of Paris pitting close to 15k-25k communards against 40-70k republicans. And these guys are fighting all over paris and its old walls and forts. A very different type of game, but one which BBB can tackle due to the large size of the battlefield and troops committed and the rules for Night turns. Marx has a book on it, and I think Engels might had written one of his bad military press articles on it. Those you can find for free at marxism or marxist.org (big repository). But I will look for it and see what I can. |
ChrisBBB | 05 Jan 2015 11:30 a.m. PST |
I've started looking at Lissagaray's history. It strikes me that this conflict was as much political as military, and full of unknown variables: how loyal would the Republic's military units be? What positive or negative effects might the Commune's leaders have on the military effort? How significant would taking or losing particular objectives be, to either side? I already have some ideas for how these unknowns might be reflected in a game. Thanks for sowing the seed of the idea. It may take a while to germinate – I am back at work tomorrow and January is always a pretty intense month for me – but I am definitely interested in making it happen. Cheers! Chris |
KTravlos | 05 Jan 2015 4:28 p.m. PST |
Great Chris Just keep in mind that Lissagary has his biases, not just on the Commune vs. Republic question, but also the domestic politics of the Commune which share more with the Spanish Civil War republic or the November Revolution in Russia than the Bolshevics. I definitely think a interesting campaign could be built by this. This anarchist site has what seems to be a good and balanced bibliography link |
NickinRI | 05 Jan 2015 4:43 p.m. PST |
Chris, Get cracking. :-) Nick |
ChrisBBB | 06 Jan 2015 5:09 a.m. PST |
Indeed, Lissagaray has his biases – as do we all … Fear not, I will triangulate. Chris |
KTravlos | 06 Jan 2015 7:11 a.m. PST |
Of course we do. As a petite bourgeois liberal, descended from lower agricultural aristocracy and minor capitalists (ruined both financially and physically by Stalin) I have a hate-love relationship with the Commune. I respect the participants, understand why the working class revolted, and respect that fact that the Communards did not succumb to the authoritarian tendency(though that may had doomed them). I also find the reaction of the Republic despicable, especially the merciless killing. But I also believe that the Communards were wrong, and that a liberla republic is still the best system to manage class conflict. Anyhow! Viva la Commune! I do not know if the Tardi-Vremont Cri de Peuple is available in English but it is worth a look at. Very evocative work. |
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