Tango01 | 22 Dec 2014 1:04 p.m. PST |
"These days, they might not ride into battle on horseback. But creating Cossack units within the Russian military is an idea that's gained currency as the Kremlin tries to wage regional and internal wars. That's the nutshell behind a new proposal from retired Capt. Konstantin Sivkov in the influential Military-Industrial Courier newspaper. According to the paper, the Kremlin should create Cossack units as a means to help the "maintenance of law and order" and for responding to military and state emergencies. Further, Russia should organize Cossacks into a new "kind of troops of the Russian armed forces," Sivkov wrote…" Full article here. link They are back!. (smile) Amicalement Armand |
Lion in the Stars | 22 Dec 2014 1:24 p.m. PST |
The same Cossacks that were paid in plunder? Yeah, that will go over really well. |
M1Fanboy | 22 Dec 2014 1:57 p.m. PST |
What makes me nervous is the part about "maintenance of law and order and for responding to military and state emergencies." Anyone see that scene in Dr. Zhivago? Um, yeah…that's the Cossack idea of dealing with a riot. |
Gennorm | 22 Dec 2014 2:08 p.m. PST |
One problem. Weren't the Cossacks Ukrainian? |
GeoffQRF | 22 Dec 2014 2:13 p.m. PST |
Weren't the Cossacks Ukrainian? Ish… The Zaporozhians came from the Dneiper region (now Ukraine). However the Don Cossacks were from Rostov (now Russia) and Donbass (now Ukraine) regions. The Terek Cossacks were from Georgia. |
Cyrus the Great | 22 Dec 2014 2:17 p.m. PST |
Hey, those Cossacks literally whipped Pussy Riot at the Sochi Olympics. They will crush the peasants when they storm the Winter Palace of Czar Dobby Putin! Good Thinking!!! They only cried out for: Peace! Bread! Land! |
Mako11 | 22 Dec 2014 2:17 p.m. PST |
Man, the falling ruble and oil must be really hitting Russia hard. On the plus side, if it doesn't pan out well, at least they can eat their transports. |
emckinney | 22 Dec 2014 2:19 p.m. PST |
"Czar Dobby Putin" ??? "Harry Potter has give Dobby Putin clothes! Dobby Putin is a free czar!" (Sorry, couldn't resist emitting this blather …) |
Cyrus the Great | 22 Dec 2014 2:28 p.m. PST |
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tuscaloosa | 22 Dec 2014 5:50 p.m. PST |
Apparently no one told Putin's government that the Cossacks were the most enthusiastic volunteers for the Wehrmacht in WW2, and formed the bulk of the HiWis and Vlassov's Army. Forgive and forget, I guess… |
Barin1 | 23 Dec 2014 1:00 a.m. PST |
Ok, another pile of crap news. "Influential newspaper" with less than 50K a day and some "retired captain". If I was picking all news in regards to say…zombie attack awareness in STates it will be about the same value. We already have kazaks (it is the right Russian word, btw) cadet schools, volunteer kazak patrols in the regions, bordering Northern Caucasus. Some of their military formations took part in the action in Eastern Ukraine. There're also numerous kazaks organizations in Siberia and Urals. Most of them are more like historical and patriotic formations, but mid 90s some of them were an important part in defence of Southern Russia against Chechen terrorists. Boudennovsk attack was exactly in the lands of Southern Russia kazaks, so they got quite angry afterwards. While it is true that many kazaks joined HiWi (Vlasov's army never took part in military action on German side, just to set it straight) there were much more of them in Soviet army….and french resistance. We already have a ministry of emergencies, with its own forces, so even kazaks formations will be assembled, they'll be joining there, or territorial internal ministry troops. And no horses, I guess… Tango provided you with a minute of fun, so I can forgive this idiotic article ;)) |
GeoffQRF | 23 Dec 2014 4:15 a.m. PST |
kazaks (it is the right Russian word The name Cossack (Ukrainian: козак; kozak) is derived from the Turkic kazak (free man), meaning "one who could not find his appropriate place in society and went into the steppes, where he acknowledged no authority". link Although somewhat uncontrollable, they were tolerated as they kept the Tartars and Turks at bay. Vlasov's army never took part in military action on German side The HiWi (Hilfswilliger, roughly 'volunteers') were Russians who enlisted into the German Army (Wehrmacht Heer). They were exclusively under German command carrying out various noncombat duties. However German commanders began forming small armed units out of them, "primarily used in combating activities of the Soviet partisans." The 1st Cossack Cavalry Division was created on the Eastern Front mostly out of Don Cossacks already serving in the Wehrmacht. |
skippy0001 | 23 Dec 2014 8:54 a.m. PST |
We need a Taras Bulba figure in a BMP3. |
Barin1 | 23 Dec 2014 9:17 a.m. PST |
Geoff, I talked about Vlasov's army, not polizei/HiVi. Vlasov was a complicated figure, but in the end Wehrmacht never really trusted his volunteers to fight Red Army – even that some volunteer formations that took part in the fight were put under Vlasov's command close to the end, they were formed separately (Like kazak Cavalry division you've mentioned). In may 1945, most of Vlasov's army joined Czech uprising, even that Vlasov himself was against it… |
GeoffQRF | 23 Dec 2014 9:46 a.m. PST |
Indeed, but some Kozak/Kazak units did fight under German command. |
doug redshirt | 23 Dec 2014 11:38 a.m. PST |
As the 1st Sergeant who is Polish says in "Cheyenne Autumn" , "Now we are the Cossacks". Just goes to show what a swell bunch they were. |
Tango01 | 23 Dec 2014 12:05 p.m. PST |
I take the article as a funny one. I enjoyed much more Barin1 Comments!! They are top ones!. He is there. Amicalement Armand |