"Using Lion Rampant for Ancient battles." Topic
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Dobber | 17 Dec 2014 2:24 p.m. PST |
So we have been playing a lot of Lion Rampant lately, and its a hit with our groups. what I am wondering is if you gents think this basic framework could be used for ancients. here is kinda what i am thinking; Romans: dismounted men at arms = triarii expert foot sergeants = princepts bidowers = velites a weaker type of cavalry for equites… Barbarians LOTS of Fierce foot haven't thought out the rest… Perhaps hoplites would be better represented as dismounted men at arms with the attach and defense stats reversed? I think alexander vs persians would be kinda easy, companions are knights, phalangites are sergeants what do you guys think? |
basileus66 | 17 Dec 2014 3:45 p.m. PST |
Lion Rampant works well as a skirmish Medieval ruleset, being "skirmish" the operational word. If you want to adapt the rules to Ancients, you should take that in mind. In that case, Companions or other elite troops should be extremely rare, probably even just representing the Big Man himself. Greeks, for instance, would have probably used archers, light horsemen and from late 5th Century BC, peltasts or Thracian allies; maybe also some light armed hoplites, who would have been distinguish from the peltasts only for carrying a bigger shield -if at all-. I think that Lion Rampant could work well for more "heroic" periods, as the Trojan War or, perhaps, some border skirmishes between legionaries and bands of marauding barbarians. |
Pedrobear | 17 Dec 2014 5:48 p.m. PST |
Indeed: "skirmish" is the operative word. You are probably looking at foraging parties coming into contact, scouting parties being ambushed, stragglers trying to escape pursuit, etc. |
Dobber | 17 Dec 2014 6:31 p.m. PST |
Yes, i know using hoplites or companions may not be historically accurate 99% of the time. i was just throwing out some examples. besides, napoleons Imperial Guard is in like EVERY napoleonic game I see, lol! (no insult meant) I probably should have mentioned that what I am going to do is put a few (3-5) small scale minis per base (not change the rules) and we have played a few very large games so far (4x 24 point forces per side) yeah I was just thinking of using it for small scale fights, like a roman century or 2 hunting down some barbarians or maybe some small greek cites fighting each other. not meaning to represent anything more than like 500 men per side. so instead of seeing 6 hoplites acting as a "Phalanx" there would be something like 40 figures in each unit |
Mr Pumblechook | 17 Dec 2014 7:11 p.m. PST |
You could 'bathtub' it: a Phalanx of 6 is actually 60 troops… |
ScribblerM | 17 Dec 2014 7:33 p.m. PST |
Most of the smaller actions in the Punic wars and Roman Hellenistic wars would lean heavily on lighter infantry and mounted troops, I would think. I could see a foraging party of Numidian horse and Carthaginian light infantry being set upon by Romans intent on defending the land of an important Senator. I could see some detachments of legionaries in the Caesarian period getting into scrums with bands of ambushing Gauls, etc. |
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