" New 'Shipyards releases' in 15mm and 10/12mm (1:144)" Topic
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UshCha | 17 Dec 2014 12:28 a.m. PST |
Thse are ones we (Maneouver Group) have commisioned but then go for public sale to keep commisioning costs dowm. Thre all stuff for real players who want to fight real battles but only need a few of. As aleays not cheap due to being very small production runs. The (1:144) svcle are labled up as 10 and 12mm as there seems to be much confusion. 10mm has grown to 1:144 and 12mm was always about 1:144 but not quite. We MG only use 1:144 models and 12mm minifigs or our own prone 1:144 basses of infantry. Leopard 2 Mine rollers at 10.12mm1:144. It fits the sites Lepoard 2 but also the dragon one. However the Dragon Leopard is overscale by a few millimeters but costs a lot less. link
IMR 72 engineering Vehicle 10/12mm (1:144)
What can I say This is an Awsome model – Just a shame its not on my side link MR 72 engineering Vehicle 15mm (1:100) scale Same vehical optimised for this scale. link Note the first picture in each case is the real thing not the cadds model. Also the crane is on its side in the cadds images as that keeps costs down.
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Cold Steel | 17 Dec 2014 2:58 p.m. PST |
Great looking model. Pretty expensive for a 10 mm, but then I only need 1 for my motorized rifle regiment. |
UshCha | 18 Dec 2014 12:00 a.m. PST |
Cold steel, These are expensive as they are, if not one off's very close to one off's. High res 3D printing is expensive, the mark up on these is not large. For the Germans I need two bridge layers (PSB 2'S)which due to the size are very expensive and I don't pay any mark up (but I did pay £50.00 GBP to get the cadds model); a couple of Buffel's (they are in work at the moment) and 3 mine rollers for a Company. Not many vehicals but its impossible to run a real battle without them. |
Cold Steel | 18 Dec 2014 10:21 a.m. PST |
I was making an observation, not a criticism. Yes, I know quality 3d is expensive. I have been wanting some of your BMPs for a few months, but baulk at the cost for the quantity I want. Needing just 1-2 models makes it easier to rationalize the purchase. |
Mako11 | 18 Dec 2014 1:43 p.m. PST |
Would love to see some decent 12mm (1/144th scale) BMP-1s, Marder 1s, and M-114A1E1s, etc. Of course, I'd much prefer if you have a prototype that has been cleaned up to remove striations, etc., and then cast in metal, preferably from a company in the USA. I could use several companies of the former two (20 and 32, respectively), and company's worth (15) of the latter. I suspect a lot of other people could use them as well. |
UshCha | 19 Dec 2014 12:20 a.m. PST |
MakoII, Casting for small quantities is proably not worth it. Personally the 3D print stuff is better than cast. Yes there are a few stiations but this is a small price to pay for better gun barrels, no miss fitting parts and detail totaly obscured by the runners and risers of casting. The striations are not visible at wargames ranges. My army has all 3 types, Injection moulded Draggon, Cast metal, commecial 3D and home 3D printed. Cast metal is bottom Injection moulded is top and on the simple models (M113's) Home printed was a tie with Commecial printed. This M113AE designation is new to me. I have had a look is it just looks a 4 wheel per side version with round door at back and diffrent turret essentially. Are there plans anywhere on the net to compare the two? Shipyards do a range of M113's and even I could cut one down in CADD and make a new turret. Would of courcse be 3D printed only. |
Cold Steel | 19 Dec 2014 10:23 a.m. PST |
UshCha, the M114 was a different vehicle from the M113, although they did have some suspension parts in common. The M114 was a recon vehicle with a 3 man crew: commander, driver and a dismountable scout. The M114 was shorter and only about 4 ft tall, with a gasoline powered Chevy 283 engine. A neat vehicle. Fast, quiet, fun to drive, hard to spot. We used a couple hundred of them for targets back in the 80s at Ft Riley, after those great little engines seemed to mysteriously disappear. I prefer the high quality 3d printed models over the biggest Cold Wars metal manufacturer, but have to compromise on the price for large numbers of the same model. |
Aotrs Commander | 24 Dec 2014 5:34 a.m. PST |
Of course, I'd much prefer if you have a prototype that has been cleaned up to remove striations, etc., and then cast in metal, preferably from a company in the USA. That is, I'm afraid very unlikely to happen. (Especially since I'm based in the UK.) I am a CADS jockey, not a caster, so I have neither the skills nor the desire to cast models. Moreover, I only do modern vehicles as commission work, as opposed to what I do for fun. (Which is sci-fi and starships.) Thus far, when I have been approached by miniatures casters, they have apparently balked at the cost of getting a CADs model made since after I replied with all the details (what information on detail sizes, surface detail depth and so on I would need for their casting process, rights to the model and prices etc etc), I never heard back. Some I suspect, who had thought it being a CADs model got the impression it should be about £20.00 GBP or something because it doesn't take much work or something, or is "easier" than sculpting it… when in fact the standard cost for me (and I'm cheap) is closer to £70.00 GBP (It takes me something on the order of 12-16 hours – 3-4 days work – to do a model. The IMR 2 was closer to 20, plus about another day just to scale it to 15mm.) Some miniatures manufacturers whom I have spoken to at conventions really didn't understand the process and lost interest at the fact I told them that I don't (can't) provide the master, only the CAD model. (As I don't understand how their specific casting process worked, I couldn't tell them exactly where to get one made – I could only suggest shapeways as one option for somewhere to have it done that would possibly work. (I am working in concert with GZG to see if they can cast from shapeways material as a join venture, so that at least I can be more informed about this issue.)) So it is very unlikely that you'll be seeing (modern armour) Shipyards models cast in the forseeable future and very likely never. More positively, as of yesterday, I have completed the pre-prototyped CAD model for the MTU-72 (at 144), so sometime after Christmas, both that and the German Buffel with be up in Shipyards store, at 144th scale at any rate. |
Cold Steel | 26 Dec 2014 4:27 p.m. PST |
What is the link to your Shipyards store? |
UshCha | 30 Dec 2014 12:54 a.m. PST |
Here you go:- leopard mine rollers (144) link IMR-2 (144) link IMR-2 (100) link The others should be in the same area. |
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