"why was the Sydney siege thread nuked?" Topic

When I went to bed it was all very polite…did it go off the rails??

i wish all talk like that were nuked.

it's completely inevitable that people are going to start to say things that make you want to jump out the nearest open window in despair. this is a hobby forum for miniature wargaming. it's just supposed to be a fun little hobby. i don't want to read some of the things that were in that thread. what purpose does that kind of discussion serve on a hobby forum??? arent' there forums for people who want to talk politics? a hobby should be a refuge from politics and reading people expressing thoughts that deeply depress you…..

Wow. Like I said when I last looked it was all very polite and reasonable. In fact reading the posts from my fellow Aussies I was genuinely warmed by the responses…

And what I wanted to post this morning was that it was a terrible end to a tragic situation that has my wife in tears (she knew folks in the siege, she's a Crown Solicitor, this was the cafe below her office) and that I'm very glad she is poor at time management as she was taking my kids to her office to visit my sister who also is a Crownie, and they would have gotten chocolate from their as part of the trip. Going to be taking them all to see the Paddington Bear movie so she can get her mind of this.

How many threads were there? The one I saw in the Ultra-moderns board, the OP opened the thread by saying Muslims should "go home" (i.e. kick them out of Australia). That is certainly a good way to initiate a trainwreck.

Indeed. It all went downhill from the very first post, so I don't know how you managed to miss that McWong.

In a couple of news stations here in the US, they specifically mentioned that law enforcement personnel were "using live ammunition". I found that very perplexing.

Why would they have to mention that? Does police in Australia normally use something else when responding to gunmen? Do they reserve "live ammunition" for special occasions only? If so, what would those be?

Dan

If you read the later posts they all rejected the op's sentiment. Wayback will show you what I mean.

One of the cops yelled a warning during the shooting to get away as they were using live ammo, might have been due to that.

Jesus, some people…

Yep, the tone and tenor of TMP has very much changed in the relatively recent past…

Shooting blanks is more politically correct.

I agree with Heinz, it's all over the media were I am (Melbourne, Australia)and will be til every Man and Dog has been interviewed multiple times. Don't need more of it on a hobby site.

why was the Sydney siege thread nuked?

It was off-topic for the main forum, since it was not miniature wargaming related.

So when will you get round to removing Tango's irrelevant posts? For example the one about Chinese fighting with ISIS?

People behaved badly.

McWong has a point about Tango's posts, most of the rubbish he posts should be nuked, it hasn't anything to do with our hobby most of the time.

McWong/Emphatz, I got shot down recently for discussing the topic of post-limiting. I have found that 'Ignore' works marvels, as now I have no idea what irrelevant stuff is being posted by individuals with that tendency, so I am able to appreciate the TMP forums anew. The challenge with the modern age is not finding information, it's filtering it.

There were a surprising amount of fans for Tango's postings, so tread carefully. Someone even suggested I was a 'sockpuppet'.

McWong,

several of the posts struck me as being pretty objectionable, especially while the whole sorry, awful business was in play in real time.I said so, and I don't apologise for or resile from having done so. Equally, we are adults (allegedly), and I do sometimes wonder about the 'nanny state' approach on some subjects (though not all by any means).

And for everyone's sanity and stress levels, can we just leave Tango alone please. Recognise a lost cause when you run face first into it (helps to have both Jacobite and Confederate forebears in said circumstance).

I've got him on ignore, just wanted to see if consistency occurs.

I too found the op objectionable, but I found the responses made by my fellow Aussies admirable, something that was nice to see down under with the current climate.

Or were those responses against such ignorance what was found unreasonable? Hard to tell sometimes around here.

Consistency in human affairs. Hmm. What planet do you live on?

The OP was off. I read a couple of the follow-on responses as 'pile on'. Not good. And I'm down here in the outer spiral arm of the galaxy as well, and a weekend house guest was driving back to Sydney that day without knowing whether her sister-in-law who works in that block was in the cafe or not. So, like you, I get the immediacy.

And the political statements during the event were, let's be polite, rather more than screamingly useless and unhelpful.

With respect Bill, I'm fairly certain other incidents have hit the forum, although I will stand corrected. I did not see the thread, but I do agree that inappropriate comments should justify removal, whereas the catch all "not miniature related" does seem to have elastic boundaries sometimes.

Cheers
Jon

I'm still struggling to understand this as part of global terrorism. The lax bail laws of NSW had more to do with this horror than islam.

So when will you get round to removing Tango's irrelevant posts? For example the one about Chinese fighting with ISIS?

That one is war-related.

That one is war-related.

Wait a minute??? That is specious logic Bill. Setting aside that some people on TMP have little in the way of any common sense, one could argue that law enforcement storming in a hostage situation is also war game related. After all we have miniatures and rules for current urban conflicts, near future, pre and post apocalyptic, 1930's Gangland wars, and I could go on.

Bill, why not call it the way it is and state you killed the thread because it had simply become, in your opinion, inappropriate for this forum? I can respect that.

>>>So when will you get round to removing *SNIP*'s irrelevant posts?

To borrow a turn of phrase from Orwell, some trolls are more equal than others. ;-)

Ah well. It is what it is.

Martin

link

Ooo! That one is "war related". Let's play it: YOU be the Taliban, with no morale checks. I'll be the responding Pakistani military/security/police, whathaveyou. You get points for each kid and teacher you blow up. But you get extra points for headshots, and double extra points for "double taps". I get points for each kid/teacher you don't kill, i.e. I start off with a school full of points, and try and stop you before you whittle my points total away. I win if I kill all of you before you get more points than I have left over.

When/where shall we "play" this???

What the hell is the difference between a restaurant and a school? Please explain clearly….

Ace,

For the record I am not advocating war gaming such a scenario. I was calling in question the logic used to nuke the thread.

Since when has logic operated around here?

I have no dog here, but as my friend McWong73 AGAIN show his bad vibres against me… I have a question: Do you take note that you are the new "heroe" on Frothers about this thread?

What kind of "contribution" you did in the Forum with your aggressive position?

Really you think that the thread didn't "went downhill from the very first post…" as our friend deephorse has well pointed?

Yust saying.

Amicalement
Armand

The Australian posters who were potentially affected had a reasonable discussion and I'm sure it was important to them.

That being said, is there really any need in the big picture?

We all know how these discussions go, who is going to say what, every single time anything remotely similar comes up.

Just copy/paste the answers from the last post and go paint a miniature instead.

Weasel: "Just copy/paste the answers from the last post and go paint a miniature instead."

I may need to remind myself to do that, instead of taking the bait in some of those discussions.

Dan

one could argue that law enforcement storming in a hostage situation is also war game related. After all we have miniatures and rules for current urban conflicts, near future, pre and post apocalyptic, 1930's Gangland wars, and I could go on.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no miniatures rules for wargaming a police/hostage situation, nor was that discussion relevant to creating such a gaming scenario.

"I have no dog here, but as my friend McWong73 AGAIN show his bad vibres against me… I have a question: Do you take note that you are the new "heroe" on Frothers about this thread?

What kind of "contribution" you did in the Forum with your aggressive position?"

that's a fantastic point…i remember when i went and skimmed that gigantic thread over there many of them said they loved you tango1 and thought you were doing more to destroy this forum than they ever could…..

now if you're going to use that logic to criticize mcwong …what about you???

yust saying…..

"To the best of my knowledge, there are no miniatures rules for wargaming a police/hostage situation, nor was that discussion relevant to creating such a gaming scenario."

Found a set for you, from Jim Wallman….

link

Good job McWong, on turning a Sydney Hostage thread into a Tango thread.

Yeah, it looks like harassment to me. Ignore the guy and get on with your life…

Well this thread certainly took a hard u-turn into the bazaar. And damn it all I might have been partially culpable. Well we know where best intentions get us, do we not?

My heart goes out for those families in Sydney and in Pakistan, the latter is another benighted country in a part of the world that perhaps one day will find its way. Sadly not today.

Found a set for you, from Jim Wallman….

OK, so there's a ruleset… did the deleted topic pertain to creating a scenario for it?

I have no idea, since I never read the thread. But you did mention that you'd not heard of such a set of rules and, being aware of some of Jim's other fine works I thought it wouldn't hurt to let you know about it.

And sometimes I wonder why I stay away from the Current Affairs….Er…Ultramodern board.This is a prime example of why.

Considering that the entire media in this country (traditional and online) were obsessively focussed on this event, with some TV channels (including the public broadcaster) ditching their normal schedules to run round-the-clock coverage, I don't think there was any harm in allowing we TMPers a bit of space to discuss it.

I recall posting my own sober analysis of the situation early in the proceedings, including the probable profile and motivation of the offender (which turned out to be spot-on), at a point when there was very little information available. I think there's now more than reasonable cause for some post-siege critiquing of the authorities' response to the situation and tactics – but perhaps on another board.

Bill's deleted my post, I'll respect that, but it was a reply to Tango to peruse an archived version of that thread to show us all how my contribution was helping that topic to go south.
Happy for Tango to go through any of my posts to show how I'm not making a contribution her actually.

You were pretty accurate Henry.

Ivan's ultra-simple ultra-modern wargame rules.

1: Assign randomly which side is the good guys today.

2: Place two miniatures on the table, one for each side. Scale and period doesn't matter.

3: Roll a die each, preferably the same type of die. High roll wins round 1.

4: Argue about which US president is actually to blame. The person using the longest sentence wins round 2.

5: Tally up points. If its a draw, restart the game.

There, now you can game any current events. I've tested this system with everything from postal worker strikes to hostage situations and drone strikes.

Available soon in PDF.

As long as there is a consistent approach then all should be well. I take it there will be no more domestic terrorism related threads, irrespective of country then?

Weasel's rules are terrible.

Eleven playtests, and we haven't been able to get a sentence in Round 2, much less one that was longest. The Conservative players couldn't stop screaming at their cell phone news apps, the Liberal players stammered and pointed at the conservative players. The Libertarian players left individually when the other players didn't simply tell them they won. The Socialist players stole the nihilist's miniatures, though he didn't seem to care. The dice chuckers couldn't cope with the lack of tables, the card-floppers disliked the lack of flavor in the ruleset, the 40K players wouldn't play something sold so cheaply, and Frothers went on a crusade to discredit The Editor. The Evangelicals seemed to be on to something, but they'd vanished during my bathroom break.

Weasel's rules are terrible.

Damn! I've already sent him money for the PDF.

BRB 2nd edition soon.