"Bavarian Kronprinz Cheveauleger turnback?" Topic

Calling to order the association of Napoleonic rivet counters, I have an important question for the collective.

I guess that many of you have seen references to items being in a "regimental colour" only to find that there is more than one candidate. This happens when you get collars/cuffs/lapels in multiple colours or different colours. It is an issue for items you can't see on a plate because they are out of view or too small.

On the Bavarian Kronorinz Cheveauleger the Lapels, cuffs and collar are black with scarlet piping. I read that the turnbacks are green and then laced in the "regimental colour." Is the regimental colour black or scarlet (or black with a scarlet border)?

I have seen plates with black turnbacks piped red, green turnbacks piped black, and green turnbacks piped red. I have also seen a painter who painted the whole turnback red.

Does anyone have more insight?

According to Bunde, Gartner and Stein the solution is a bit complicated and probably difficult to represent at 28mm and below. The turnback itself is green but edged by a wide black trim. This trim is itself piped on either side with red in the same way that the black lapels are piped red.

I recommend you get a copy of 'Die Bayerische Armee 1806 – 1813 by the above authors. It is well illustrated and though it is in German you do not need to know the language (especially if you use a translation programme).

Hope that helps.

pre or post 1809??

I need this information to be able to count the rivets correctly.

1809+ will do me if precise rivets are to be counted

For 1809 + green turnbacks whith a trim of a lace of about 2 cm width, as for 1809 + it is black and piped on each side red – there the tunic tails got narrower and narrower the green part of the turn backs (the lining) is hardly visible at all and one has to look hard to see it.

Otherwise I strongly support Artilleryman's advice for buying the Stein / Gärtner / Bunde booklet.

That accounts for the different versions I have seen.

I will look into buying that booklet when I am next in the west. I am never sure what tax they are going to put on books here.

Chortle, yes that is post 1809. You might try ordering the book on line. link Or from Amazon.