optional field | 11 Dec 2014 10:28 a.m. PST |
It occurs to me that many TMPers have little experience with military aircraft and yet many of us play games where such vehicles are central to the conflicts involved. So, what is your experience with armored military vehicles? A) none B) I have seen a replica(s) C) I have been inside a replica(s) D) I have been inside a real one(s) E) I have have served as a crew member on a real one(s) but not in combat F) I have been a passenger in a real one(s) but not in combat G) I have have served as a crew member on a real one(s) in combat against opponents without them & without anti-aircraft weapons H) I have been a passenger in a real one(s) in combat against opponents without them & without anti-aircraft weapons I) I have have served as a crew member on a real one(s) in combat against opponents without them but with anti-aircraft weapons H) I have been a passenger in a real one(s) in combat against opponents without them but with anti-aircraft weapons I) I have have served as a crew member on a real one(s) in combat against opponents with them H) I have been a passenger in a real one(s) in combat against opponents with them J) I have served in combat against them but my side possessed no military aircraft of our own & our side possessed no anti-tank weapons L) I have served in combat against them but my side possessed no military aircraft of our own but our side did possess anti-aircraft weapons M) J) I have served in combat against them and my side possessed military aircraft of our own but I was neither a passenger nor crew Other answers? |
Saber6 | 11 Dec 2014 10:33 a.m. PST |
what is your experience with armored military vehicles? E) I have have served as a crew member on a real one(s) but not in combat Enlisted as Crew and Vehicle Commander, Commissioned as Platoon Leader and Vehicle Commander. Re; Military Aircraft: only as a passenger |
David Manley | 11 Dec 2014 10:36 a.m. PST |
F, but in a situation that was heading towards H |
Privateer4hire | 11 Dec 2014 10:48 a.m. PST |
The lettering format went a little askew, I think. :) H) I have been a passenger in a real one(s) in combat against opponents without them but with anti-aircraft weapons |
Just Jack | 11 Dec 2014 10:54 a.m. PST |
H) I have been a passenger in a real one(s) in combat against opponents without them but with anti-aircraft weapons I had the opportunity to watch moonlight pour in through holes as they appeared in the fuselage… |
sneakgun | 11 Dec 2014 10:58 a.m. PST |
Z. I worked on the flight and hanger decks of an aircraft carrier. I bear several scars from crawling underneath the aircraft to tie them to the deck. A-4s being especially tricky. One of our guys saved a man from being sucked into an intake of a jet testing its engines on the flight deck. A friend of mine was hit in the leg by a decapitated head, the poor victim hauled out a fuel hose and they launched another F-4. |
Ambush Alley Games | 11 Dec 2014 11:06 a.m. PST |
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martinjpayne1964 | 11 Dec 2014 11:08 a.m. PST |
Y. Build, maintain or work on military aircraft, but have never been in combat. |
Los456 | 11 Dec 2014 11:22 a.m. PST |
N: Where do us former paratroopers chime in? |
DeRuyter | 11 Dec 2014 11:31 a.m. PST |
The topic is about military aircraft, the question states armored vehicles, but then the answers seem to relate back to experience with aircraft. So which one are you looking for answers on? For aircraft: Passenger on a variety of them, including jumping out of them, but not in combat. For AFV: crew member, commander, Plt leader, not in combat. |
Frederick | 11 Dec 2014 11:37 a.m. PST |
I have been inside both military vehicles and aircraft, but in the case of vehicles only in a stationary mode – in the case of aircraft, as a passenger (if a Huey counts as an aircraft) |
enfant perdus | 11 Dec 2014 11:41 a.m. PST |
D & F E, if you count flying an AT-6 Texan one time. |
Wackmole9 | 11 Dec 2014 11:53 a.m. PST |
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Ed von HesseFedora | 11 Dec 2014 12:00 p.m. PST |
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wrgmr1 | 11 Dec 2014 12:11 p.m. PST |
D) I crawled around inside a B-17 of the Confederate Air force, in Phoenix Arizona. Sadly, my ex-wife has all the pictures. |
javelin98 | 11 Dec 2014 12:14 p.m. PST |
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McKinstry | 11 Dec 2014 12:37 p.m. PST |
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infman | 11 Dec 2014 12:52 p.m. PST |
N- I'm with Los456. Jumped out of a few! |
lloydthegamer | 11 Dec 2014 1:12 p.m. PST |
D and F I was able to afford a flight on a B17 and walked through the companion B24 that was on display. |
Mako11 | 11 Dec 2014 1:55 p.m. PST |
B & D (no, not that kind, this survey kind). O. Known a person, and his kids, who was a crew member on a B-17 over Germany, during WWII – tailgunner. P. Met an A-4 pilot. Q. Relative of a tech, who worked on the F-101 Voodoos, and other 100 series jet fighters. R. Been to lots of military airbases, for airshows, and seen lots of real military aircraft up close. |
troopwo | 11 Dec 2014 2:04 p.m. PST |
The seats are lousy, the inflight service doesn't exist and the bus drivers think too much of themselves. |
Jlundberg | 11 Dec 2014 2:16 p.m. PST |
D,E,F if you count having flown a T 33 once |
Hamilton | 11 Dec 2014 2:28 p.m. PST |
F – when I was stationed at Fort Meade, we were allowed to ride along in Chinooks when the local National Guard did their monthly flights. So loud! |
brass1 | 11 Dec 2014 3:08 p.m. PST |
Since there seem to be two similar but not identical H's, I'll choose both. I've ridden a lot of Hueys in my time. LT |
etotheipi | 11 Dec 2014 3:22 p.m. PST |
B) I have seen a replica(s) C) I have been inside a replica(s) D) I have been inside a real one(s) F) I have been a passenger in a real one(s) but not in combat H) I have been a passenger in a real one(s) in combat against opponents (essentially) without them & without anti-aircraft weapons H) I have been a passenger in a real one(s) in combat against opponents without them but with anti-aircraft weapons H) I have been a passenger in a real one(s) in combat against opponents with them M) J) I have served in combat against them and my side possessed military aircraft of our own but I was neither a passenger nor crew I have worked with scores of subject matter experts to model and simulate various aspects of military aircraft in combat situations. I have directed their employment in military training exercises. I have been a passenger in them in military training exercises. I have directed them in search and rescue missions. I owned a shipboard aircraft hangar/flightdeck and directed their use in logistics operations under fire and not. I owned rode as a passenger in them in logistics operations under fire and not. I have blown up models of them with my dad using fireworks and captured it in all its glory on 8mm film. I have seen the Blue Angels and those other Air Farce doodly-doos multiple times live at air shows. I rode in a restored WWI biplane at a state fair. I have ridden in them as a non-crew operator for surveillance and surveillance-training missions. I have fought fires (multiple types) on replicas of them (multiple types) at military training courses (multiple ones). I have worked with subject matter experts to design training simulators, emulators, and other gew-gaws for the above mentioned military training courses. I have been trained to fast-rope out of them, but never actually did it for operations or training beyond the course. I frequently make fun of military aviators. |
Norman D Landings | 11 Dec 2014 3:28 p.m. PST |
D, F. Dad was RAF, as were most of clan Landings. Grew up on various bases in Germany (mostly Tornados) and Scotland (Nimrods). |
Battle Phlox | 11 Dec 2014 6:54 p.m. PST |
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Tgerritsen | 11 Dec 2014 7:52 p.m. PST |
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Florida Tory | 11 Dec 2014 9:49 p.m. PST |
You wouldn't have any military aircraft without the folks who build or maintain them, so I suggest S – I am an engineer or scientist who designs them. T – I am a test or flight engineer who tests them T – I manufacture them U – I am an aircraft mechanic who services them Rick |
optional field | 11 Dec 2014 11:42 p.m. PST |
The lettering format went a little askew, I think. :)
Serves me right for posting before I've had morning coffee. Still I am, as always, glad to see a lively discussion. |
Martin Rapier | 12 Dec 2014 12:11 a.m. PST |
I am also unclear as to whether we are talking about planes or AFVs? Anyway, I have been inside and driven/flown both albeit in strictly non professional capacity. |
BW1959 | 12 Dec 2014 6:11 a.m. PST |
F. Civil Air Patrol flight in an C-123, Shows how old I am, and also in a O-1 Bird Dog |
cfielitz | 12 Dec 2014 7:21 a.m. PST |
F: Navy C-130. Best airplane flight I've ever had, barring the noise. |
FingerandToeGlenn | 12 Dec 2014 9:27 a.m. PST |
USAF C-130 on a courier mission--all I remember really is noise and really, really baaaaad coffee. |
BigDan | 12 Dec 2014 12:39 p.m. PST |
H and i've ridden 2 birds in for "Emergency Landing" too, though not due to enemy fire. Oh and a bunch of the others too! |
COL Scott ret | 12 Dec 2014 2:15 p.m. PST |
I have been on many, and jumped with a parachute out of more than 50. |
rmaker | 12 Dec 2014 8:33 p.m. PST |
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Old Contemptibles | 15 Dec 2014 1:46 p.m. PST |
I would delete the questions with anti-aircraft as part of the question. Otherwise you eliminate aircraft that serve as support such as E-2s, AWACS, tankers, ground attack and electronic warfare aircraft. Add "part of a ground crew or squadron crew" and "served as flight deck crew." "Served as aircraft maintenance crew." B) I have seen a replica(s) C) I have been inside a replica(s) D) I have been inside a real one(s) E) I have served as a crew member on a real one(s) but not in combat. o) I have served as aircraft maintenance crew. |
optional field | 16 Dec 2014 10:39 a.m. PST |
I would delete the questions with anti-aircraft as part of the question. Otherwise you eliminate aircraft that serve as support such as E-2s, AWACS, tankers, ground attack and electronic warfare aircraft.
I disagree. An S-300 or Patriot can reach out and quite a long distance and therefore be a threat to support aircraft. You might argue that most nations do not possess such long range anti-aircraft weapons, but there is always an element of uncertainty about an enemy's capabilities. I would very much hate to be the crew on the tanker that discovers they are in range of a previously unknown weapon. |
Old Contemptibles | 16 Dec 2014 4:32 p.m. PST |
Yeah I agree but I don't think the OP meant that. I think he means an aircraft armed with anti-aircraft weapons. In other words air to air missiles or a 20mm gun. The support aircraft depends on fighter aircraft to protect them. Unless I am misreading the choices. The wording is so convoluted, I am not sure what he means. |
MarescialloDiCampo | 16 Jan 2015 12:35 p.m. PST |
F) I have been a passenger in a real one(s) but not in combat F variant) I have been combat cargo in a real one(s) in combat zone (Iraq, Beirut) |