"Killer in the Sky: Russia's Deadly Su-35 Fighter" Topic
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Tango01 | 08 Dec 2014 9:22 p.m. PST |
"The Sukhoi Su-35S Flanker-E is the most potent fighter currently in operation with the Russian Air Force. The powerful twin-engine fighter, which is an advanced derivative of the original Soviet-era Su-27, is high flying, fast and carries an enormous payload. That, combined with its advanced suite of avionics, makes the Su-35 an extremely dangerous foe to any U.S. fighter, with the exception of the stealthy Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor. That is one of the reasons the Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force is keen to acquire the new jet. "It's a great airplane and very dangerous, especially if they make a lot of them," said one senior U.S. military official with extensive experience on fifth-generation fighters. "I think even an AESA [active electronically scanned array-radar equipped F-15C] Eagle and [Boeing F/A-18E/F] Super Hornet would both have their hands full." One U.S. Navy Super Hornet pilot—a graduate of that service's elite TOPGUN school—offered a sobering assessment. "When taken as a singular platform, I like the Su-35's chances against most of our platforms, with perhaps the exception of the F-22 and F-15C," the naval aviator said. "I suspect the F/A-18E/F can hold it's own and F-35 has presumed stealth and sensor management on its side." Full article here link Amicalement Armand |
Deadone | 08 Dec 2014 9:32 p.m. PST |
And the Ruskis will have a grand total of 48 if they're lucky – that's all that's been authorised in long term planning. The F-22 will outnumber them by a ratio of 3.8 to 1! There is a requirement for a further 48 (to bring up to 96) but see if that comes through with current economic woes. |
Augustus | 08 Dec 2014 10:14 p.m. PST |
Amazing to see the F22 will outnumber someone somewhere. |
Deadone | 08 Dec 2014 10:39 p.m. PST |
F-22 will outnumber Chinese and Russian stealth efforts for at least the next 15-20 years. |
Mako11 | 10 Dec 2014 4:27 p.m. PST |
I give it about 10 years, since the Chinese are on a roll, and accelerating. Plus, their agents keep stealing lots of top secret plans, and I suspect we are just catching the "tip of the iceberg" so to speak. Those Sukhois are beauties, and they can carry lots of AAMs, (up to 14 hardpoints, in some cases) unlike our jets which only carry a few. |
Deadone | 10 Dec 2014 4:50 p.m. PST |
give it about 10 years, since the Chinese are on a roll, and accelerating. They don't have the industrial capability to maintain large scale production for 4th generation fighters, let alone 5th generation. Things like J-10 and J-11 are often delivered at rates of about 20 aircraft per annum (French were doing about 11 Rafales per annum as minimal economical sustainable production). This is why there are so many J-7/-8/Q-5s in service and J-8 is still in production. J-8 is equivalent to a Soviet MiG-23 or Su-15. Current service entry for J-20 based on statements made in 2011 indicate service entry in 2017 and IOC in 2019. This is with Russian engines (Chinese engines won't be available until 2020 according to 2011 statements). Assuming "full scale" production of 20 aircraft per annum would indicate a fleet of say 160 J-20s by 2024. This may be extremely optimistic much like F-22 or F-35 service entry estimates. Indeed there were some statements made by Chinese officials "of increased complexity of developing such aircraft" in 2013. Also the Chinese were constantly delaying production and service entry of upgraded J-10B due to a number of development issues and it enter serial production at least 2 years late and then still without a Chinese engine and nearly 3 years late for service entry. This showed that their industry is not immune to same developmental problems plaguing the West and often for far simpler aircraft designs. It will be interesting to see if they can have any sort of functional J-20 in service by 2020 let alone 2017. |
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