"Dutch Jager 1815 in 28mm" Topic
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Eagleman | 07 Dec 2014 8:27 a.m. PST |
Check out the new Dutch Jager from Eagle Figures painted up. link Cheers Ian |
GamesPoet | 07 Dec 2014 10:25 a.m. PST |
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deadhead | 07 Dec 2014 10:45 a.m. PST |
Great but will someone argue they are not Dutch, just as we heard a few days ago that the "Belgians" did not exist. They are Netherlands'. Tongue in cheek here. The real controversy is that they could just as easily be "Belgian"….as their Light units did not wear the Belgic shako, however often it is suggested in later illustrations. Green rig and the Belgic shako was simply not seen. "Discuss" (as 3 hour exam papers would require in late 60s) |
spontoon | 07 Dec 2014 11:04 a.m. PST |
Well, I am not going to re-paint my Belgian light troops with Belgic shakoes! Ain't that why they're called Belgic anyway? |
deadhead | 07 Dec 2014 11:55 a.m. PST |
No, you are right. That is the whole weird point. Funny thing. British Army seemed to adopt the Belgic Shako in the peninsula, late on, modelled on the Portuguese "Barretina" (was that right, or was it Barratina?). Belgium 1815 was just a gleam in the eye then. The Belgian line units then seemed to get their Belgic shakos from British supplies, based on a Portuguese design…….this is getting daft! Netherlands seemed wedded to Austrian shako design, with rear peak, except for Belgian (sorry, South Netherlands) Line who wore the Belgic shako. Belgian Light units wore the Austrian pattern….except for the militia of course who wore a conical…oh forget it……….no one will ever get this right….I need a drink! |
Eagleman | 08 Dec 2014 12:17 p.m. PST |
Well put deadhead. lol Its a minefield to say the least and I think in truth no one will ever know exactly who wore what on any specific date in time. |
DrsRob | 08 Dec 2014 2:59 p.m. PST |
The Dutch adopted a French/Prussian style shako with a British style shako plate in late 1813. In late 1814 the uniform was redesigned. A Shako with Austrian style backpeak was adopted in early 1815. It was not used at Waterloo, except by officers. When the Belgian infantry was re-uniformed under Dutch rule in late 1814, the new Dutch uniform was not yet decided upon. The British style cap was adopted more or less by mistake, but a large contract had been signed before this became clear. So they were issued and used anyway. The two Belgian Jager bataillons got them too. |
deadhead | 08 Dec 2014 4:20 p.m. PST |
fascinating…. The rear peak not used at Waterloo other than officers. How the Belgians got the Belgic shako….. Above all the "Belgian" Light Infantry wearing them! Always wanted to see that, as another variant on the uniform, but was convinced it was wrong. Oh, it is a minefield indeed. A period of transition and "contemporary" artwork possibly reflecting styles of a few years later |
DrsRob | 09 Dec 2014 7:10 a.m. PST |
The Dutch Infantry had been reorganised in late 1814, from British style 10-company bataillons to French style 6-company bataillons with an additional depot company. Officers that were assigned to different units were instructed not to change their uniform in expectation of new regulations. When these were promulgated on 9 january 1815, these officers could purchase the new uniform straightaway. As far as the rest: the final date of adoption was set at 1st May 1816. In practice the whole of 1816 was required to change the uniform to the new patterns. Some units were not ready before 1817. The 1815 shako also had a diadem band for troops of the line. No print shows those other than on officer-shakos. In the same way the bugle badge of the light infantry was part of the 1815 uniform. In 1815 all Dutch and Belgic troops still had the crowned W-plate on their shakos. Belgian officers did not wear the 1815 shako on the campaign. They were expressly forbidden by the Belgian War Department (i.e. Tindal) from doing so. |
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