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Blutarski02 Dec 2014 8:09 p.m. PST

German Battlecruisers of World War One – Their Design, Construction and Operations, by Gary Staff. Not cheap, but, if you are really interested in the topic, you will kick yourself very hard later for not having bought this book now. Best English language treatment out there by far and really the first since Campbell's tiny 48 page pamphlet in 1975.

B

Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Dec 2014 12:14 p.m. PST

Here's a range of prices and providers to find it:

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The first one from the UK, with $10.00 USD postage, is still cheaper than the next source Stateside!

TVAG

Finknottle04 Dec 2014 3:04 p.m. PST

Arrived on my doorstep just yesterday from our online female warrior friends!

hindsTMP Supporting Member of TMP04 Dec 2014 6:20 p.m. PST

Mine's defrosting on the library table (with 50 pounds of books sitting on it to keep it flat).

What's it like? Do the advance criticisms posted at amazon.uk pan out, or is there some balanced analysis?

MH

Blutarski05 Dec 2014 4:44 a.m. PST

hinds TMP –
Disregard the poor reviews @ Amazon UK. The only point made with which I would agree is that the text does in places give the sense of a German/English translations. Certain awkward phrases may put a grin on your face from time to time, but it by no means detracts from the usefulness or experience of reading the book. Author Staff does not really do a comparative analysis of German vs British battlecruisers; he focuses upon describing the design, construction and operational experience of the German ships.

Must run. More later.

B

hagenthedwarf05 Dec 2014 5:04 a.m. PST

Must run. More later.

Those of us without a budget that can stretch to include purchasing this will be interested to see your summary.

Charlie 1205 Dec 2014 6:01 p.m. PST

Interesting reviews on Amazon UK. Especially the ones that pan the book before it was released (which can be taken with the proverbial grain of salt). Reminds me of the lambasting that Vince O'Hara's 'Struggle for the Middle Sea' received at the hands of the 'old school' British readers (God forbid that anyone refute the 'Revealed Word').

And I'm waiting for my copy to arrive (today? Please, today!).

Blutarski05 Dec 2014 7:45 p.m. PST

By way of introduction, let me say that the naval campaign in the North Sea during WW1 is my number one subject of military historical interest and research. I have been studying it for the better part of 40 years and have accumulated about 300 books, dissertations, reports, archival documents, etc, over that time. This is all to say that I have a reasonable familiarity with the period.

First off, let's deal with the critics on Amazon UK.

Mister "1 star" is totally out to lunch. He obviously failed to read Staff's preface, where he cite the work Griessmer, Koop and Schmolke. Both terms, "grosse Kreuzer" and "Schlachtkreuzer", were used in the German lexicon with the latter supplanting the former over time. Staff, in fact, heads each vessel chapter with "the large cruiser", which is of course a literal translation of "grosse kreuzer". Were there only seven German battlecruisers in WW1? Staff's book covers not only the seven German BCs that actually saw service, but also MACKENSEN (which was close to launch at war's end) and the later wartime designs that did not begin construction. Ignore this person.

Mister "3 star" is inaccurate on every technical point he raises. British circa-Jutland 15in CPC was in fact black powder filled, as were British 13.5in and 12in CPC. Post Jutland testing and analysis (See "Final Report of the President, Projectile Committee – 1917: CB01303) concluded that CPC, powder filled was in fact to be preferred as the best all around projectile due to the manifold problems discovered with British heavy caliber AP Lyddite; any read of Campbell will make clear that CPC was fired in great quantities at Jutland. Krupp armor, both KC and non-cemented, was in essence a steel alloy that included nickel as the principal alloying ingredient. I have not read the passage that relates to "aluminum cap", but I trust that it will be found to refer to the ballistic cap fitted over the piercing cap. Disregard this person.

The "cardinal sin" of quoting Jellicoe's commentary re the battlecruiser engagement was not the work of the author, but of the gentleman he invited to write the foreword – Wolfgang Bohlayer, an engineer with forty years at Blohm and Voss, where most of the ships in question were constructed. England may stand down from the ramparts.

As to awkward language, the book does have some where unusual phraseology appears: "hoists" described as "elevators" and "magazines" described as "munitions chambers" for example. But in no case do these detract from the sense of the text. One item to keep in mind here is that a very great deal of the information presented in this book was translated to English from original German language archival materials (for example, Mahrholz's (artillery officer on VON DER TANN at Jutland) description of his gunnery engagement with INDEFATIGABLE) and it was probably done by a native German fluent in English.

On to the book itself.

Let me start by stating what the book is NOT. It is not a comparison of German versus British battlecruisers in any way, shape, or form.

So what is the book? It is just what it says on the tin: a review of the design, construction and operations of the German battle-cruisers of WW1. It would be impossible to describe all the minutia Staff crams into this book. Allow me instead to simply list the chapter sub-heading for a random ship, let's say MOLTKE –

DESIGN – detailed discussion of design goals and debates
CONSTRUCTION – when, where, how long, effect of dockyard strike.
HULL – you could find your way around the ship using Staff's description.
ARMOUR – complete frame-to-frame description of vertical and deck armor layout.
ARMAMENT – detailed description of primary, secondary and tertiary batteries, including turret mechanisms, ammunition stowage, gun elevations, range, arcs of fire and types and quantities of ammunition carried.
TORPEDO ARMAMENT- details of all four u/w tubes + full performance characteristics of the torpedoes carried.
SHIP'S BOATS – full inventory of boats carried aboard.
ANCHORS – Ever wonder what type of anchor was carried and how much it weighed?
ELECTRICAL PLANT – full details.
SEARCHLIGHTS – number and location, including the signal lamps.
MACHINERY – full details of the turbine layout, boiler operating temperatures and pressure and compartmentation.
"LEAK" PUMPS – I'm getting tired trying to summarize everything.
MANEUVERABILITY AND SEAKEEPING –
GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS ANDCHANGES –
NAMESAKE –
TRIALS –
OPERATIONAL HISTORY – In absolutely excruciating detail, starting from her 1912 trip to the USA, with almost day by day entries, including track charts for every operation (ever wonder where the British and German minefields were in, say, 1915?). One entry describes the four torpedoes fired by MOLTKE at Jutland, including their gyro settings. Every case of damage, hit by individual hit, is covered by both high quality period photographs and by beautifully re-drawn contemporary German damage diagrams (remember the ones in Campbell that were almost impossible to decipher?)

Every ship is treated in the same detailed manner.

Al this is enhanced by a vast array of beautiful photographs (almost all of which we have not seen before) and explanatory diagrams. Each ship chapter feature a fantastic double-page reproduction of original MOLTKE deck plan, vertical cutaway showing internals, plus no less than ten detailed transversal cross-sections; this is followed by another double-page overhead layout of MOLTKE on a deck by deck basis, with each compartment numbered and identified.

Staff also threw in a selection of fantastic 3D digital renderings of several ships.

The physical quality of the book is first rate.

Do I have any complaints? A bit more on German naval gunnery control technology and methods would have enhanced the book, but I have that pretty well by other sources.

If you are REALLY into this period – not just someone who games it for the occasional giggle – you will want to own this book.

B

Charlie 1205 Dec 2014 10:01 p.m. PST

B- Now I'm really miffed. Your review has me drooling… and my book didn't arrive today. WAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

hindsTMP Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2014 12:56 p.m. PST

Thanks for the detailed review Blutarski. I had already purchased it, but your review makes me feel more secure in that decision.

MH

Blutarski06 Dec 2014 2:06 p.m. PST

Gents,

I'll be interested to know your opinions of the book after you have had a chance to read through it. I also like to correspond with fellow WW1 naval buffs.

B

Lion in the Stars06 Dec 2014 4:28 p.m. PST

HULL – you could find your way around the ship using Staff's description.
Oh, WOW!!! Most books don't get anywhere near that detailed!

I may need to add this one to my wishlist, and I'm not even a WW1 naval gamer! (I tend towards early WW2 in the Pacific)

hagenthedwarf07 Dec 2014 1:02 p.m. PST

Every ship is treated in the same detailed manner.

A very interesting technical description and a review that will be much appreciated. Apart from the detail on armour and equipment what does it tell us that we did not know about operational use?

Blutarski07 Dec 2014 3:24 p.m. PST

Hi Hagen – Staff approaches the operational aspects in a two-fold manner.

The well known operations are covered in the following manner: each hit is individually diagrammed, photographically covered (where available) and described in high detail. Additionally, translated excerpts from official after action and gunnery reports are included. One of the gunnery reports, for the first time to my knowledge, gives a possible explanation for the "ripple fire" effect reported by British observers.

But Staff then offers up as well detailed coverage of the many mundane operations when the battlecruisers were sent out to support light cruiser sweeps and mine-laying and mine-sweeping expeditions. He even covers the pre-war cruise of von de Tann to South America, the cruise ot Moltke to the USA.

I really cannot recall a book of this nature and scope going so deeply into operational matters.

B

Tim White08 Dec 2014 12:55 p.m. PST

As fate would have it I just received a gift card for my birthday, which I immediately put towards ordering this book. Can't wait!

zaevor200022 Sep 2015 2:14 p.m. PST

I have always loved the German BC's…especially "Rocky" aka SMS Seydlitz. That ship had a LOT of heart!

I have all of the German BCs in Navis 1/1250.

Thank you very much for letting us know about this book.

Have just placed my order with the female warrior clan for 2day delivery.

I can't wait!

Frank

Fluoro Phil25 Sep 2015 11:26 a.m. PST

Thanks for the review! It was already on my "To get" list. This just confirms it, even though my main interest is WWII…

zaevor200025 Sep 2015 2:03 p.m. PST

Got my copy in the mail yesterday.

All of the guys in our naval group are blown away by this book.

It is the first book since Breyer's BB and BC 05-70 that I've looked at that just took my breath away…

It is an absolute masterpiece…

Frank

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