"The Russian Army's Secret Weapon: Enter the Armata..." Topic
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Tango01 | 22 Nov 2014 10:05 p.m. PST |
… Program. "With America's own tanks becoming quite dated and running out of upgrade options, Russia's latest efforts to modernize its armored fighting vehicles should be cause for concern. The Russian Army will induct a new family of armored combat vehicles collectively called the Armata next year to replace its existing armored war machines, according to Russian state media. Production of the new armored vehicles is expected to start at the beginning of 2015 in January and two dozen of the new machines are expected to participate in the Victory Day parade in Moscow next year—as America struggles with the future of its own armored combat vehicles. "The first batch will be available next year. You will see them in Red Square on May 9," Oleg Bochkaryov, deputy chairman of Russia's military-industrial commission,…" Full article here link Amicalement Armand |
skippy0001 | 22 Nov 2014 10:23 p.m. PST |
I think they're trying to sucker us into another arms race. The T-35 was state of the art at one time… |
rorymac | 22 Nov 2014 11:10 p.m. PST |
America's own tanks becoming quite dated? I don't think so! Russ |
Cold Steel | 23 Nov 2014 8:36 a.m. PST |
The key line in the whole article is: assuming the Russian government can pay for it. Every new prototype weapon is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then the reality of the cost overruns, logistics, training, even basic physics, sneak up and whack the designers on the back of the head. You would think by now the pundits and talking heads would have learned that lesson. |
Great War Ace | 23 Nov 2014 1:53 p.m. PST |
Economics ruins so many great ideas. How many "king tiger" tanks did the 3rh Reich produce? And it has always been that way. Scads of Shermans versus one Tiger, that's the kind of game I like to see, and the "king" always goes down, but how many can he take with him?… |
Deadone | 23 Nov 2014 3:01 p.m. PST |
I seriously doubt it will enter service. They keep cancelling these projects after prototypes are built, even before economy turned pear shape. |
Mako11 | 23 Nov 2014 4:42 p.m. PST |
I look forward to seeing pics of the new vehicle, and more info on its capabilities. Actually, yes, the M-1 tank is aging, though still very good. However, last I recall, it doesn't have an automatic, electro-optical self-protection system like some Russian tanks do, nor does it have hard-kill, self-protection weapons either. Looks like the Russians have embraced my Topgun Grav Armor, AADS self-protection system technology. Perhaps the M-1 does have these upgrades in the works, but I don't recall reading about it. With the rapid advances in new weapons tech being developed, those will need to be integrated into the next generation of tanks, in order to permit them to survive on the battlefield against well equipped foes. |
Bellbottom | 23 Nov 2014 5:34 p.m. PST |
@Mako11 Don't forget the 'Go faster' sticker |
Deadone | 23 Nov 2014 6:03 p.m. PST |
Mako, the difference is M1 is in mass service, whilst T-99 Armata might be a few prototypes. And given Russian military's recent successes in adopting new systems, it's likely that none will enter service or at best limited service. Indeed I just read an article in Croatian that was stating the Russians are concerned the Armata is too expensive. defender.hr/europa-i-rusija/vojna-industrija-1/rusija-izrazava-zabrinutost-zbog-cijene-tenka-armata.php The Russians are focusing on upgrading old 1980s gear for most part as opposed to buying new systems. They basically can't afford new systems in reasonable numbers, even before current crisis. The way things are going the mainstay tank in Russian service in 2030s will still be the T-72 albeit with some improvements courtesy of T-90. |
Barin1 | 24 Nov 2014 3:19 a.m. PST |
Defense ministry was voicing its indignation on current pricing, but there're ways to work on it. If the financing is going to be tough next year due to oil prices, Uralvagonzavod will be co-investing in the development of non-tanks variants for the platform, produce test squads and court export markets to lower the cost per unit. I would be very interested to see a squad on the move…till then I'm still sceptical. |
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