"SAS raids on ISIS have killed hundreds" Topic

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Looks like some good scenario fodder for a game. A few SAS guys, some quads and their targets. Or if you want something a bit more even one of the chinooks goes down for some reason and the guys have to fight their way out.

All kinds of options.

This is kind of awesome. A twisted form of asymmetric warfare.

Good news. I've been hoping we'd put the SAS on this job. The sequence, 'SAS wipes out the terrorist camp' from Patriot Games is fiction, but that's the movie I've been playing in my head.

Indeed … if it is true … However, "hundreds" sounds a bit high. But we'll have to wait and see, if there is other intel that corroborates this … Of course … it may be classified …

We are celebrating "8 Jihadis a day"? Really? To kill these 8 nut jobs we use Drones, Helicopters, Quad bikes and trained SAS Teams.

I would wager they accidentally kill more of each other daily.

We need to be killing 800 Jihadis a day. THAT is progress.

I thought that's what they make heavy bombers for?

I thought that's what they make heavy bombers for?

B-1 : Payload: 125,000 lb (56,700 kg) ; internal and external ordnance combined.; B-2 : 2 internal bays for 50,000 lb (23,000 kg) of ordnance and payload. ; B-52 : Approximately 70,000 lb (31,500 kg) mixed ordnance; bombs, mines, missiles, in various configurations …

However, "hundreds" sounds a bit high

I haven't trusted "body counts" since Vietnam.

Big Daily Mail voice in one ear: "Awesome SAS action! Hundred of Jihadis killed! Drones! Chinooks! Quad Bikes! Scenario goldmine!"

Little Guardian voice in other ear: "August 14th, Cameron vows 'No boots on the ground' in Iraq."

(shrug)

I hear what you're saying, Norman, but the Little Guardian voice doesn't really apply to my game room – it's hard to game a scenario in which there's only one force in play. Definitely applicable to dinner table discussion, not so much to pushing figures around the game table. ;)

The highly mobile teams described in the article are definitely good scenario fodder, though, and could be translated to a fictional setting if playing current events isn't one's thing (an entirely understandable stance).

Shawn.

Havd said it before, Rolling Thunder.

I hear what you are saying. I'll probably be coming up with a scenario for Infinity using Ariadna forces in the role of the insurgents and Yu Jing as the SAS.

Probably one of their air cars ferrying them to the attack goes down and the survivors are making their way out or to the target.

It will probably be a more urban or wooded environment though. Of course their ATVs were inaccessible or damaged in the crash.

They may get airborne support during the game.

You're sure it wasn't these guys, right?

Ugh. Megafarce. I saw that in the theater.

If there was ever a movie made for MST3K then this was it.

Lots of "deleted" here. Can't imagine why.

I suppose there must be a kernel of accuracy in there. Maybe knock a zero or two off.

Nor I … can't even remember what I said ?

The Daily Mail is certainly far, far from a bastion of investigative journalism and I doubt a lot of the elements in the story from a professional standpoint however… a Peshmerga Brigadier General inadvertently revealed UK Special Forces were working with his people a couple of months ago.

Coupled with the recent release of video of a mid-air refuelling of a number of MH-60Ms over Iraq (said video was swiftly taken down by CENTCOM once somebody realised what it showed) and I am not unconvinced that some scale of direct action operations are being undertaken by US, and perhaps UK, SOF alongside the publicly acknowledged mentoring role (which has just been bolstered by a 200 strong Australian SASR and Commando task group and a 70 strong force element from Canadian CSOR).

All those Spec operators are doing missions, whether just training, direct action, etc. … The very nature of the those units require that most ops are rarely or never mentioned to the public …

Arguably high tailing around the desert, shooting holes in things and people, is what the SAS was invented for…

Personally I suspect that IS fighters aren't tending to hang around in large enough groups for distressingly expensive aerially launched ordinance to be terribly effective (can't think why). So I'd guess that spec forces jumping small travelling groups of fighters as they wind their way across the desert would seem like a way of perhaps encouraging them to clump back-up? Not much of choice really, too small you get picked off, too large someone dumps a couple of thousand kgs of ordinance on you…

Though every time I see the story, quadbikes, big sniper rifles and MGs, I just can't help but think, have they been playing too much Halo?

Still sounds like good scenario fodder and perhaps the basis for a mini-campaign. I'm guessing we'll find out properly about in a couple of years.

Even if the story is true. Based on what appears, much more of the moslem world is becoming more fundamentalist than we/many first beleived … hundreds KIA'd would be a drop in the bucket … But a good start … if in fact the goal is stop jihasdists and terrorists, etc. …

And Old Glory UK do the quad bikes in 15mm too

Or the entire story could be fabricated and 'leaked' by a figure manufacturer with spec op's line to shift…

Personally I find the upper the estimates of IS strength doubtful. I don't think the bulk of the Middle East's population is as radical as many think or IS would like, conservative certainly, but not IS radical. Alot of IS territory on the news maps is pretty thinly populated and the ones which show them controlling populated corridors are probably more accurate. Some of their strength comes from allied groups and tribal levies, all with their own agendas. My guess is their loyalty to the caliphate may turn out to somewhat negotiable! Also reading the few bits and bobs about civilians in IS territory that get into the western media I get the impression in some areas at least once the wheels come off the proto-state IS personnel may well find themselves on the wrong end of a mob, piano wire and a lamp post.

IS personnel may well find themselves on the wrong end of a mob, piano wire and a lamp post.

If only … if only …