"6mm Bocage - size question" Topic
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Turbo Pig | 29 Jan 2005 5:36 p.m. PST |
I am making some bocage for 6mm-10mm. Ran into a dilema, though. I remember someone saying that the bocage was tall enough in some places that a man had to stand on top of an AFV to see over the top of it. The finished test pieces end up being about 20mm high; 10mm for the berm, and 10mm for the hedgerow. They seem way to large for 6mm. Do my measurements sound right? Unfortunantly, I don't have any figures to use for scale. |
rct75001 | 29 Jan 2005 7:25 p.m. PST |
I have just now stumbled on the photo galleries at this great modelling site. This one is a x-section through hedgerow. It may help. link Richard |
Mako13 | 30 Jan 2005 2:04 a.m. PST |
Bocage was various heights, and the link provided is a good one. However, I have heard that in some cases, most likely sunken roads, the top of a tank turret was below the level of the berm, so your bocage should be fine. However, you'll want some lower sections, and just plain hedgerows as well. I have made some sections so that the tanks can rotate their turrets to fire over the edges, and through the foliage, for my 15mm armor. |
fredrik | 30 Jan 2005 2:55 a.m. PST |
Gallard: I'm about to do some 6mm bocage myself, would you mind describing how you went about making yours? Cheers/Fredrik |
Grinning Norm | 30 Jan 2005 6:49 a.m. PST |
I've made some 6mm bocage by gluing some strips of corrugated cardboard for the berm, painting and flocking them. That on itself doesn't look very pretty, but after adding some lichen on top to simulate the trees it looks pretty decent. |
NikkiB | 30 Jan 2005 6:52 a.m. PST |
here is a neat little suggestion. go get some of the green scrubbing pads from the local grocery store (or WalMart). Cut into strips about 3/4". Cover with flock. :-) Done...bocage!! |
Turbo Pig | 30 Jan 2005 7:08 a.m. PST |
Sure Fredrik. 1) I cut some strips of cardboard from a soda case, for the bases. Mine happen to be about 4 3/4inches x 1/2. I think that when I do full scale production I will use something a bit thicker, like say picture board. 2) I cut some styrofoam block the length and width as the cardboard. I made them roughly 10mm high. I then gouged away at the tops and sides to make the look like a berm. 3) I then glued them to them to the cardboard, and placed a heavy book on top, to reduce any warpage, as they dried. 4) Once dry, I covered them with light weight spackle, and textured them with a damp cloth. I added some grit on a couple. This really isn't neccesary, if you tecture them properly. Next time at this stage, I think I will add some larger details like culverts, stumps and rocks. The berms are drying right now. They will be painted earthen tones. 6) For the hedge, I cut strips of green scratch pad to length and about 6mm high. I roughed them up, and will glue them to the berms. On test fittings, the scratch pads look too clean, even roughed up. I think when I do this full scale, I will use coarsly ground foam; like from Woodland Scenics. Saw an article on using screen, with foam glued to it for a hedge. I am going to give it a try. the scratch pad versions would be god for something like bocage around a chatue, or something. So, they are not a complete waste. I will be making the following pieces, once I do this full scale: Straight pieces, Corner pieces, Gate peices, both vehiculer and pedestrian, Breached pieces, Pieces with fighting positions Finally, I used to cast things in resin. The berms are a perfect candidate for this. They would probably be a lot more durable than the styrofoan/spackle version. I'm gonna give it a try, once it's warm enough to use the garage, again. Anyone that starts making these for sale...I get royalty rights :-) |
Doms Decals | 30 Jan 2005 7:33 a.m. PST |
The Dom method; take an ice lolly stick (tongue depressors for you happy-tongued Americans....) and build up a small berm on it from plasticine. (1/8" - 1/4" thickness.) Paint it in textured paint (I just use a mid brown hobby paint with sand mixed in.) Drybrush in a lighter shade, and then glue on torn up clump foliage from Woodland Scenics. Dom. |
fredrik | 30 Jan 2005 8:02 a.m. PST |
Thanks for the suggestions guys! Most appreciated! :-) Cheers/Fredrik |
TimothyO | 30 Jan 2005 9:53 a.m. PST |
Gallard, Don't worry about the measurements. Place an infantry stand and some tanks (a Sherman and a King Tiger) on the table. Hold a piece of balsa next to the models and make three or so marks. One at shoulder level, one at the Sherman's turret level (top), and one at the Tiger's turret. (ie in some cases infantry can see over the berm and in other cases even a tiger can't see over). These marks provide min/avg/max heights for the earth/foundation (you've just made a boccage template!). This foundation should vary in height between these elevations. On top of this foundation add shrubs about waist to head height and small trees at random intervals. Remember too that these are man made structures built up over many years. The earth foundation can only be so tall relative to the figures since it was farmers who built them (and they only needed to be so high to serve their purpose and they were built by very practical people). The shrubs and trees are another matter and were left to grow wild, so their height depends on soil conditions, etc. As to the height it's VERY much a scenario or game design issue. The boccage did vary so you're at liberty to choose a variety of heights. Do you want some to completely block all sight? Maybe some that allows a tank to fire over? Depends on the scenario and how much you want to block LOS or simply provide some tough, low cover for infantry. I've made a mix of sizes for this very reason. BTW...There would also be rocks scattered along the foundation's base. These are rocks ploughed up by the farmer and discarded against the "wall" (they actually form a good chuck of the wall). Tim |
Ditto Tango 2 1 | 31 Jan 2005 2:06 p.m. PST |
"This one is a x-section through hedgerow. It may help." In fact this has been pulled from another site which I think you will find better: link |
timdps | 02 Feb 2005 12:14 p.m. PST |
As others have said, hedgerows vary quite a bit. Were I building them in 6mm scale, I would build the bases 3-6mm high and the top vegetation from almost nothing up to about 20mm tall. Would vary the foliage heights even within a single hedge piece. tim |
6milPhil | 11 Feb 2005 10:54 a.m. PST |
I bought two sets of Timecast's bocage in two sizes lots of variety, about 30mm tall in places (including veg). Maybe have a butchers at their website. |
Stevus | 13 Feb 2005 4:15 a.m. PST |
If you want to buy ready made bocage try these people in the UK: realisticmodelling.com Does very good terrain for 6mm etc but alas not cheaply ! |
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