Help support TMP


"Davis Proposes Arming the Slaves Only if Necessary..." Topic


10 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

Please don't call someone a Nazi unless they really are a Nazi.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the ACW Media Message Board


Areas of Interest

American Civil War

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Recent Link


Featured Ruleset

State of War


Rating: gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star 


Featured Showcase Article

1:72nd IMEX Union Artillery Limber

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian completes his initial Union force in 1:72nd scale.


Featured Profile Article

Battle Cry in Miniature

A Civil War boardgame is adapted to miniature wargaming.


Featured Book Review


1,231 hits since 11 Nov 2014
©1994-2024 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?


TMP logo

Membership

Please sign in to your membership account, or, if you are not yet a member, please sign up for your free membership account.
Tango0111 Nov 2014 10:23 p.m. PST

…to Win the War.

"Throughout the history of the war, Confederate President Jefferson Davis was concerned most with saving territory rather than armies. In trying to save Vicksburg, for example, he sacrificed an entire army, losing the city anyway. His top western generals argued that this philosophy was short-sighted, but Davis pursued this path regardless.

And now, when so much territory had been lost, Davis seemed to finally see the error of his ways. In a speech delivered to the Confederate Congress on this date, while he detailed the gains of territory (mostly in Texas and Louisiana), he seemed to have turned a new leaf. The loss of Atlanta could hardly be ignored, and since John Bell Hood's Army of Tennessee remained a working force, he instead chose to change his mind on these matters.

"The truth so patent to us must, ere long, be forced upon the reluctant Northern mind," said Davis, who must so recently have had it forced upon his own. "There are no vital points on the preservation of which the continued existence of the Confederacy depends. There is no military success of the enemy which can accomplish its destruction. Not the fall of Richmond, nor Wilmington, nor Charleston, nor Savannah, nor Mobile, nor of all combined, can save the enemy from the constant and exhaustive drain of blood and treasure which must continue until he shall discover that no peace is attainable unless based on the recognition of our indefeasible rights."…"
Full article here
link

Interesting "what if"

Amicalement
Armand

jpattern212 Nov 2014 11:52 a.m. PST

Oh, this won't end well.

Tango0112 Nov 2014 11:54 a.m. PST

(smile)

Amicalement
Armand

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2014 12:23 p.m. PST

That's why I'm not biting.

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP12 Nov 2014 12:32 p.m. PST

Some other related pieces

link

link

Ironwolf12 Nov 2014 5:18 p.m. PST

wow, I never knew Davis ever considered emancipation of slaves. This was in Nov 1864, President Abraham Lincoln's excutive order was on January 1, 1863. I wonder if Davis saw how many slaves joined the Union Army and wanted to try and mimic that….

I had read about Cleburne's proposal but never knew it had gone further up the chain of command to Richmond.

One thing that really surprised me was the south offered a better deal than the north did, equal pay, and possible freedom. Lincoln's emancipation did not provide either of those.

Tango0112 Nov 2014 11:26 p.m. PST

If Davis emancipated the slaves… the war ended?

Amicalement
Armand

zippyfusenet13 Nov 2014 6:15 a.m. PST

If Davis emancipated the slaves… the war ended?

Certainly not. The Federal war goal was to re-unite the States, the Confederate to secede. Emancipation was a means to that end for either side. The war could only end with Confederate or Federal defeat, secession or union triumphant.

Ironwolf13 Nov 2014 11:30 a.m. PST

Emancipate the slaves would end the war…

No, but if Lincoln had lost the election and if the south emancipated their slaves. I wonder if then there might have been a negotiated end.

Tango0113 Nov 2014 1:04 p.m. PST

Thanks for your guidance boys.

Amicalement
Armand

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.