"Kurdish women a force to be reckoned with for ISIS" Topic

"Don't be fooled by the pretty songs they sing in their downtime -- these women are among ISIS' most deadly enemies.

Brandishing Kalashnikov assault rifles and wearing military fatigues, the women perform military parade drills at a memorial ceremony for slain fighters in a dusty lot in northern Syria.

"Our martyrs do not die. They live on in memory!" their Kurdish commander, dressed in green camouflage and wearing a pistol on her belt, declares as the scores of uniformed female militants stand at attention…"
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Next miniatures for Modern.

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Armand

My wife was saying something about them a few years ago. Then I looked it up. Those ladies are tough!!! They fight and trek with very few supplies and in any weather.

And they have to be extra tough, since they cannot expect ISIS to be kind to them if captured. A few have been raped and beheaded, and it has simply fueled their rage and resolve.

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Agreed. Any Kurdish miniature range worth its salt should include them.

That area has always bred tough women. Check out these Armenian fighters:

Dan

Well … if your choice is fight or become a sex slave/raped, or beheaded or crucified or stoned or etc. … fighting like a banshee seems a much better option … IMO … BTW, what MG is that young lady packing, it looks Russian ? And if you see how the Armenians [and other non-moslems] were treated in the early 20th Century by the Turks along with other moslems … There is little doubt, why fighting to the death is again, a better option … Looks like not much has changed in 100 years …

"fighting like a banshee seems a much better option … There is little doubt, why fighting to the death is again, a better option"

I absolutely agree!!!

Legion, is this the same MG?

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Dan

I posted this on another thread. Just saw on CNN an interview of a Yazidi 19 year old girl who managed to escape from an ISIS rape facility. She was raped by a 70 year old ISIS member and he threaten her with death if she didn't convert to islam, etc. … She also tells of a story of an 11 year old girl being raped repeatedly. 11 years old … The report went on to say it's estimated over 2500 females have been captured, turned into slaves and/or traded or sold throughout Syria and Iraq and possibly other places in the region … What Century is this ? And this is happening now … not in 1914 or 1942 … now … Just saying …

Yeah, Dan that looks like it in second pic … I'm going to have to research this. I'm loosing my touch with being able to ID [newer] weapons … Yeah … it's as I thought, I'm pretty sure it's a Russia PKM … It's been around for a while … And used by a lot of armies in that region. link I hate getting old …

The women on either side of the Caucus Mountains have always been tough:

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Dan

No means No … And yes means … Yeah !! Of course the way many moslems generally treat women, their own or others … it's matter of survival. Also, saw on CNN last week. A woman in Iran who killed the man that was trying to rape her. Was hung … I guess in Sharia law/the koran, the female is usually guilty …

I suspect they are very competent and motivated fighters.

I don't understand the Kurds. They live generally pretty far back in the mountains. As far as I know, their economy is based on subsistence farming and herding. They used to make a living as mercenary soldiers for the Ottomans. They participated in the Armenian and Assyrian massacres 100 years ago. The majority are Sunni Moslem, and they're supposed to have a high rate of female circumcision.

On the other hand, their Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) are supposed to be doctrinaire socialists, to the point that they field equal-opportunity female combat units. A recent photo of two Kurdish militia-women in Kobane featured a young woman in western jeans and a sweater with her head bare, while an older woman (her mother?) wore a baggy dress and hijab. Both toted AKs.

The Kurds seem to be just about the only faction in the region who are sincerely willing to set aside religion and work with the kuffars. I welcome that, and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I'd like to understand them better.

While cute women with guns are hot…a society that puts its young women on the front line risks being wiped out root and branch with no hope of recovery. It's not romantic, it's a sign of desperation.

… it's a sign of desperation.

No matter how you look at it the females in the region are behind the eight ball. Better to die fighting …

And it least they show more determination than a good number of the men in the area (the Kurdish men being the notable exception)…

I don't understand the Kurds. They live generally pretty far back in the mountains. As far as I know, their economy is based on subsistence farming and herding.

Seems your info is a bit out of date … by at least a 100 years or so. They have cities! (link) They have industry! (link) What you're thinking of is probably 18th or 19th century Kurdistan, but even that was probably never as primitive as you seem to imagining it.

Of course the way many moslems generally treat women, their own or others … it's matter of survival.

So, 800 million Muslim men are all wife-beaters or rapists or worse? Is that what you're saying? Jeez.

What's a good source on modern Kurdistan? Books like No Friends But The Mountains seem…romantic.

I agree coastal2 … Many Iraqi men should do a package check … and what is Iraqi for incompetent cowards ? Plus the local Shia militias outside of Baghdad are doing more fighting and winning then the Iraqi Army itself …

So, 800 million Muslim men are all wife-beaters or rapists or worse? Is that what you're saying? Jeez.

Nick … read my post again … I SAID MOST NOT ALL … Jeez ! I never said they were all wife beaters or rapists, etc. However, in many moslem nations it's well known, many females are treated as second class citizens. Do a little research … link link link

Actually Legion 4 you said many.

Given the 800 million number, I would guess you could find a million or more (probably a lot more) to fit the description.

P.S. i was going to use the term 'Neanderthal' as a descriptor, but considering the current polls decided that might be 'racist…'

P.P.S. Agree with the 'better to die fighting' sentiment. In a last ditch defensive situation I'd be handing weapons out to anyone big enough to aim and fire them.

Legion 4, what I object to is you making a blanket statement about 1.6 billion people living on all continents, implying they are fundamentally all the same, because they happen to share a religion.

However, in many moslem nations it's well known, many females are treated as second class citizens.

Actually, most Muslims live in countries were women are not second-class citizens. You really shouldn't lump together countries like Indonesia with places like Saudi Arabia. There's a world of difference.

Of course, even in countries where women do have the same rights as men, they are often discriminated against in various ways. But that is also the case in all Western countries, and thus it would be hypocritical of us to point the finger at other countries.

Given the 800 million number, I would guess you could find a million or more (probably a lot more) to fit the description.

Sure. Domestic violence against women, and harassment/abuse of women, is also endemic in Western countries, most of which are predominantly Christian. Using Legion4's logic, all these cases in the west are a result of our Christian heritage.

Goragrad: "
P.S. i was going to use the term 'Neanderthal' as a descriptor, but considering the current polls decided that might be 'racist…'

Racist? To the Neanderthal race? Or to extreme fundamentalists everywhere?

If the latter, that wouldn't be racism. It's an ideology.

At least the Kurds don't seem to have a problem fighting alongside their women. If Neanderthal males and females fought side by side also, then I would call that pretty realistic and open-minded on their part! :)

Dan

Sorry G … you are right I said most. I was annoyed when someone [not you G]tries to put words in my mouth that I didn't intend … but it is a question of quantitative terms … many vs. most … I guess most could be quantitatively 51% ? Which may be too high … So many maybe a better term … however now were talking semantics. Maybe I should say some or lots … but we get my intent. And yes, Nick, Indonesia is the most populus moslem country. And yes, there is a world of difference between Indonesia and Saudi Arabia and other Middle East and African countries … And yes Nick you read more into my comments as you have done before IIRC. Jeez ! And Nick read the link I posted previously … I'm not making my comments up about how many moslems treat females …

Does any manufacturer make modern women irregulars in fighting poses? How about regulars, like women in the IDF?
It might be fun to paint some up, and field some figures in among the men. I have women horse archers in my Sarmatian and Skythian armies and even a couple of naked women in my Celtic naked fanatics host so why not in moderns?
Cheers.
Rod Robertson.

Pakistan – 196,174,380
Afghanistan – 31,280,518
Saudi Arabia – 29,369,428
Yemen – 23,833,000
Oman – 3,219,775
Iran – 80,840,713
Libya – 6,244,174
Egypt – 86,895,099
Syria – 17,951,639

Not a complete list and not all base their legal codes entirely on sharia, but just these countries represent nearly half a billion Muslims. If only 5 percent of these Muslims believe in a 'pure' version of Sharia that is still a significant number.

Many is not an exaggeration when stating that many Muslim men have a misogynistic attitude to women.

Thank you for that clarification goragrad … and it reinforces my original post generally. It may not satisfy Nick's problem with my comments … but … I'm ready to move on …

The core question here is, "What are Muslims as neighbors where you live doing about all of this Jihad and related stuff?" If they are integrated and possess local traditions and customs for the most part, then those Muslims can hardly be compared to the way men treat their women in the ME or elsewhere. I have seen no overt evidence here in Utah that Muslims have a problem with treating their women as "second class" beings. Mormon men are accused of being "generally" chauvinistic. So the shoe fits a lot of men from a lot of different subcultures….

… treat their women in the ME or elsewhere. I have seen no overt evidence here in Utah that Muslims have a problem with treating their women as "second class" beings.

Nor have I in my home state of Ohio. But here again, we're talking semantics … however, if you read all my posts, I said moslem nations … the US is not a moslem nation or should have said moslems in the ME, Africa and SWA …

Just saw on CNN, one learned author, mentioned that a reasonable estimate may be that at least 20% of moslems are jihadists or islamists … So that is Many in my estimation … Interesting number … makes sense to me.

Twenty percent are not Jihadists, not even remotely close to that number. Now, "Islamists" might qualify. In other words, more sympathetic with the Jihadists than annoyed or outraged by them. But the Islamists would only go over to the Jihadists in a tough situation where not joining them meant death or worse. That's how "Islamists" have always been. Sit on the fence unless forced to get off. The next Jihad to come along dislodges a whole bunch of Islamists from the fence sitting posture. But they don't really want to be involved in Jihad, they have to be involved, for as long as the current situation compels them….

The reporter estimated at least 20% are jihadists OR islamists …

CNN is notoriously islamophobic, so not a good source (link).

I have to disagree … they are the most middle of the road compared to other stations … However, 24 hour News tends to repeat a topic so in some cases it may seem to reach a saturation point … I may have a certain level of islamphobia, with growing up listening to the news talking about islamists taking US hostages on airlines. Killing US citizens in terrorists acts etc., in embassies, etc., etc., islamists preaching Death to America, etc. … And of course I remember when I was in the 101, going on alert when the Desert One mission in Iran occurred … Being in the Infantry for over a decade in my youth. I may have developed a distain for our islamists enemies. Of course, islamists still call us "Crusaders", so my memories only go back to the 20th Century … Like the US Ambassdor in Afghanistan killed in '79, the US Embassy overrun in Tehran, US barracks being blown up in Lebanon, US General being killed/hung in Lebanon, numerous US hostages being taken and some killed on airlines, The Ugandan Airport hostages, included Americans, the Munich Olympics murders, etc, etc., etc., etc. … those were all committed by islamists and terrorists …

Well, there are reported instances of 'honor' killings having occurred and quite a bit of FGM occurring in Western countries with significant Muslim populations – US, Canada, UK, Australia, etc. Let alone arranged marriages and other less 'assimilated' aspects of sharia law and culture.

Interestingly much of this doesn't make prime time headlines.

Watch out G, they'll be saying you are islamophobic !