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mdavis4126 Oct 2014 9:06 a.m. PST

I have just played my first game of GMT's Blood and Roses. the First St Albans scenario. The designer, Richard Berg, made the interesting choice to give the Yorkists 1 unit of archers for each battle. however the Lancastrians got none.

Is there any evidence for this? I have read that the Yorkists had an advantage here, partly due to Sir Robert Ogle's 600 strong Border archers fighting for Salisbury (or perhaps Warwick ).

However, given the normal conventions of Poleaxed or Coat of Steel, i would have suspected that the Lancastrians would have had some archers, if not several bands of retainer's worth given the large number of Noble Lords present. They typically accompanied the Riding Retinue of their Lord and generally predominated in terms of their numbers versus men at arms.

Does anyone have an insight on this issues as it pertains to St Albans specifically?

Green Tiger26 Oct 2014 9:20 a.m. PST

I think the chances of any army in the wars of the roses having no longbows is pretty much nil…

AcrylicNick26 Oct 2014 9:39 a.m. PST

There are a number of people on the Lead Adventure Forum who are very knowledgeable about the armies of the Wars of the Roses. It might therefore be a good idea to ask that question in the Medieval section of LAF link.

MajorB26 Oct 2014 9:46 a.m. PST

The Lancastrian Army at First St Albans was, in a sense, not really an army as such. It was actually the royal household on progress to the Council to be held at Leicester (that in fact never took place). The Lancastrians were not expecting to fight – hence the protracted negotiations between 7am and 10am. The Yorkists forced their hand at St Albans. The Yorkist army OTOH was indeed expecting to fight…

Consequently the Lancastrians had very few archers present compared to the Yorkists. Further details can be found in "The Battles of St Albans" (Burley, Elliott & Watson, Pen & Sword, 2007) link

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