Flashman14 | 23 Oct 2014 2:19 p.m. PST |
YouTube link The trend in scholarship has pointed in this direction for some time though I don't follow it very closely at all. They also incorporate the new understanding of how swords were used. Hollywood has really screwed up how I imagined all this. |
MajorB | 23 Oct 2014 2:28 p.m. PST |
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Gunfreak | 23 Oct 2014 2:33 p.m. PST |
This isn't news, just watched that horrible robin Hood, cate blanchet, she kinda hit a frenchmen who was wearing full mail and padded surcoat, she hit him with the force of a 3 year old with a plastic bat, yet she killed him dead. Even mail was almost impossible to get through with swords, in infact any armor be it, leather, padded, mail or plate, made killing some one very hard. You did not try and go through the armor but around it, face, neck, groin legs. Full plate has very few weak spots, and finding them and getting a weapon in there was hard. Sure if you got a poleaxe abd swing with all you got, you might get some part of it trough some of the plate, but by doing a big swing like that, you are open for attack, and some guy will tripp you with his poleaxe and while you are on the ground, he will finish you off with a stabb through the visor, or another weak spot. |
Fizzypickles | 23 Oct 2014 6:34 p.m. PST |
I'll watch Cate Blanchett swing anything like a three old all day long. |
Winston Smith | 23 Oct 2014 9:08 p.m. PST |
I have always been annoyed by the "everybody knows" crowd who think the military is always stupid. "The British marched in straight lines while Americans hid behind trees". "Knights were so stupid if they fell over they could not get up." Etc. It's nice to see them refuted so convincingly. |
mex10mm | 23 Oct 2014 10:01 p.m. PST |
Watching full armor like this in action helps to understand why, during the Wars of the Roses, many high ranking nobles and their men at arms died not during the actual battles but after, and most of the times executed by the victors. |
goragrad | 23 Oct 2014 11:01 p.m. PST |
Reminds me of the Denver Art Museum presentation of a Metropolitan traveling exhibit of armor some years ago. Part of the the show was a video – 'How a Man Shall be Armed.' It showed a man being equiped in a late Renaissance harness (Tudor) and then had him demonstrate the range of mobility and movement afforded by that harness. Quite impressive. |
Ssendam | 24 Oct 2014 2:39 a.m. PST |
Generally Nobles were not executed … they were ransomed. |
MajorB | 24 Oct 2014 3:09 a.m. PST |
Generally Nobles were not executed … they were ransomed. Except in the Wars of the Roses! In the WOTR, nobles captured during a battle were frequently executed afterwards. |
Coelacanth | 24 Oct 2014 6:27 a.m. PST |
Thanks for posting the video. Ron |
DeRuyter | 24 Oct 2014 10:50 a.m. PST |
Even mail was almost impossible to get through with swords, in infact any armor be it, leather, padded, mail or plate, made killing some one very hard. You did not try and go through the armor but around it, face, neck, groin legs. Full plate has very few weak spots, and finding them and getting a weapon in there was hard. Which is why you often had a hammer on the other side of your poleax, or carried a mace. As noted and is seen in the video, to get a blade through plate you look for weaknesses. No need with a concussion weapon, one good head shot with even a single handed mace would scramble the brains behind the plate so to speak. |
Twilight Samurai | 24 Oct 2014 7:10 p.m. PST |
That racket would drive me mad! |
Fizzypickles | 24 Oct 2014 7:14 p.m. PST |
I think they were pretty mad before all the swinging and hammering. |
MajorB | 25 Oct 2014 2:18 a.m. PST |
That racket would drive me mad! It's only noisy because they are filming in an enclosed courtyard. Wouldn't be so noisy on an open battlefield. |
Porkmann | 25 Oct 2014 9:18 a.m. PST |
Good stuff but I am so tired if "White" harness! Why so few coloured or coated repro suits. I would have gone for red velvet… |