jowady | 20 Oct 2014 12:14 p.m. PST |
As if I don't have enough to do seeing "FURY" has ignited a WW2 bug in me. My Dad was a combat veteran of the ETO. He commanded a gun section of 90mm AAA guns but since there wasn't all that much call for heavy AA they spent most of the war either firing as artillery or in an ant-tank role. About 70 years ago today his battery caught a company of Panthers (they were one of the few 90mm units that hadn't been sent to the gun line at Antwerp) and as my Dad said "we really ruined their day". Anyway I'm looking for some super tactical rules for 28mm. One figure=1 man, tank, or gun, I realize that these will be small engagements, a couple of squads of infantry, one or two guns or tanks per side. I'm interested in accuracy, I hate rules where "game tactics" work but if you try using (for example) the real way that the US finally figured out how to cross hedgerows you get massacred. If it matters I'm looking for NWE, Americans, British and Germans of course. (Just as an aside I'm thinking of scratching a 90mm. |
MajorB | 20 Oct 2014 12:19 p.m. PST |
Either Chain of Command or Bolt Action. Take your pick. |
GROSSMAN | 20 Oct 2014 1:17 p.m. PST |
Arc of Fire for a more streamlined less detailed approach. |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 20 Oct 2014 1:23 p.m. PST |
There's also DHC7B, Nuts!, Rules of Engagement, Operation Squad and Battleground WWII. |
PiersBrand | 20 Oct 2014 2:50 p.m. PST |
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raylev3 | 20 Oct 2014 3:02 p.m. PST |
Chain of Command or Bolt Action |
delta6ct | 20 Oct 2014 4:28 p.m. PST |
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Rod I Robertson | 20 Oct 2014 5:04 p.m. PST |
Jowady: It sounds from your description that you would like Battleground WWII. It's an older set of rules but a very good one. It does not try to shoehorn players into playing a certain way. Unfortunately in order to play what you want, you will have to have the rules and at least two of the supplements. Infantry are individually based the rules are ideal for platoon(+) vs. platoon (+) sized games. Cheers and good gaming. Rod Robertson. |
saltflats1929 | 20 Oct 2014 5:56 p.m. PST |
Plenty of choices. Many good ones. Don't you know anybody playing a set already that you could try? |
Mserafin | 20 Oct 2014 6:38 p.m. PST |
Don't you know anybody playing a set already that you could try? Agreed. This will get you up and playing much quicker, finding out what you like in rules and what you don't. Where are you? Maybe someone local will chime in. |
Lion in the Stars | 20 Oct 2014 7:52 p.m. PST |
I second Piers suggestion of Battlegroup: Fall of the Reich. The Battlegroup rules have you giving orders to individual squads, so are at a perfect spot for small skirmishes in WW2. You can push the game up to a battalion per side, but I would not want to try anything more than a company per side. Platoon+ per side is ideal, IMO. |
jowady | 20 Oct 2014 10:00 p.m. PST |
Well it looks like I have a lot of research to do. We have a small and very close group, most of us have been wargaming for over 40 years now and we don't work and play well with others. It's pretty tough to break in if you don't remember Mr Nagel's Latin class or Mr Masello's Trig and Calculus or we weren't in ROTC together.. Maybe it's wrong but if we didn't play PanzerBlitz with you or you aren't a legacy odds are it isn't going to be a fit. Which is why I ask here. And being mostly old farts we find it hard to keep up. We just went through a phase of learning and playing Saga and Close Action (we're an eclectic group). None of us have done WW2 in a long time (other than modelling, I could actually field about a platoon of infantry and a platoon of Shermans in 1/35th but I think we would need a gym to give us enough room. Anyway thanks all. |
Tekawiz | 21 Oct 2014 3:21 a.m. PST |
If you want to play at the squad level then you'll want to take a look at Nuts! by Two Hour Wargames. Nuts! is also designed to be played solo. The non-player enemy has a series of tables and reactions depending on the combat situation. The games are unpredictable. |
Andy ONeill | 21 Oct 2014 6:53 a.m. PST |
I suggest you consider 1/72 ( 20 mm ) instead of 28mm. Once yo9 get the bug you're going to want to buy more and more tanks and stuff. Lot cheaper and practical in 1/72… and 1/76 is near enough you can get away with mixing scales so long as vehicles of the same type are the same manufacturer. link link |
nazrat | 21 Oct 2014 8:26 a.m. PST |
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MH Dee | 21 Oct 2014 10:47 a.m. PST |
If you go single based 28mm (or 20mm) you can begin building a force anyway, and use it for practically any of the rules already mentioned. So no need to fret (as yet!) |
jowady | 21 Oct 2014 11:55 a.m. PST |
Thanks again all. Our problem with 20mm 1/72 or 1/76 is that while there are many vehicle options available we don't want this to be a tank on tank game. Our experience with stuff like ASL tends to be that as you add more armor the game gets away from being combined arms and instead the infantry pretty much sits around waiting to be killed. We're interested in one figure equaling one soldier or one vehicle and maneuvering around the battlefield as such (Pvt. Smith moves behind the shed rather than First Squad occupies the farmyard). I realize that I expressed myself poorly, when I mentioned squads I meant that as an expression of your total force, not as an element of maneuver. I apologize for the confusion. There are a couple of reasons for sticking with 28mm. One is terrain, a number of our Medieval 28mm buildings will fit right in for WW2. Another reason, and thanks MH Dee we're kind of doing what you recommend already, is that we already have a few boxes of Bolt Action Infantry. I initially got a box to see how it would fit in with some 1/48th scale HobbyBoss Shermans and then another guy got some to see how they would mate up with a 1/48th scale AFV Club Tiger and well, the push was on. Also, and admittedly I haven't seen all the figures, but a lot of 1/72nd scale infantry leaves me cold. The vehicles are great, heck I have a bona fide 1/72nd scale Dragon M4A1 platoon but in what will hopefully be an infantry-centric game…. Please don't take offense or think that I am denigrating any suggestions, I'm not. After all someday we may want to do Arracourt or Michael Wittmann in Normandy or a scene from Kursk. I always bookmark my stuff for future reference. Thanks again… John |
Weasel | 21 Oct 2014 1:17 p.m. PST |
This is pretty much the Chain of Command thread right there. It plays more or less like a narrated battle account might read, it's easy to get into, pretty clever and you can play about a platoon with some supports no fuss. |