Chortle | 17 Oct 2014 6:41 p.m. PST |
Can you trust no one? In modern scenarios attacks can come from anywhere. More French Jews Allegedly Join Islamic Terror Group Shmarya Rosenberg FailedMessiah.comA small number of Jews have left France to join ISIS in Syria, a French government official reportedly told Israel's Channel 2 News today based on French intelligence reports. More than 1,000 French citizens, most of them Muslims, have joined the Islamic terrorist group. Some, probably most, of the French people "of Jewish extraction " who have joined ISIS are converts to Islam. Meyer Habib, a Jewish member of the French parliament, claimed, there is no official proof these handful of Jews actually joined ISIS, contradicting what the French government source told Israel's Channel 2 News, Ha'aretz reported. However, Habib also told Channel 2 News that if a Jewish girl did join ISIS, as was reported two days ago, "it really is the end of the world." Some of these alleged Jewish ISIS members would likely pose a special danger to Jewish institutions and Jewish communities in France and worldwide including Israel. link Some of them could be plants (with balls of steel). NSA leaks say that the head of ISIS was trained by Mossad. link [link removed] This has happened before. The "Young Turks" group, which led the genocide of a million Armenian Christians, was founded by Emmanuel Carasso an Italian Jewish man. The Turks were on the wrong side of WW1 and this was very handy in prising Palestine out of their hands. |
Just Jack | 17 Oct 2014 9:00 p.m. PST |
Mr. Chortle, This is pretty despicable, your last post is at best disingenuous, at worst downright deceitful. There is nothing ad hominem about Baron Marbot's post, quite the contrary. Here are some pearls from your third link (for those without the inclination to check): "The Jews who run ISIS are murderous sadistic pedophiles." "The Mossad-run IS is crucifying Moslems." "Obama has used IS in both Syria and Libya and now he is using them in Iraq, as he does not like the current Iraqi government and he wants to please Israel." "The aim of Mossad is to wreck all Moslem countries by leading all the Moslem institutions." "All the Moslem militants work for Mossad." "Israel murders children." "Israel was the brains behind 9 11, the Mumbai attacks, the Norway attack, and the London bombings." "Simon Elliot, the leader of ISIS (aka IS), has been photographed with Mossad asset John McCain." One could be mistaken for thinking the point of your post was that Jews are behind all evil that occurs in the world. This really sucks, because I actually wargame modern/ultra modern stuff, but ever since the Ultramodern Board was established it seems every day we're setting a new record for the dumbest thing I've ever read on the internet. Kudos, Sir, today the record is yours… Jack |
Chortle | 17 Oct 2014 9:07 p.m. PST |
Actually I didn't check the third link. My bad. I just looked for a link with Simon Elliot mentioned. |
whoa Mohamed | 17 Oct 2014 11:01 p.m. PST |
And yet despite that he wont get dog housed ,And yet again our board falls further and further into the Black hole. Thank you Bill….Mikey |
basileus66 | 18 Oct 2014 12:01 a.m. PST |
I agree with Jack. Ultramodern board has nothing to do with wargaming. And it is a pity for those of us that game moderns. |
Random Die Roll | 18 Oct 2014 3:14 a.m. PST |
This should have been posted under Utter Drivel--not ultramodern. |
Chortle | 18 Oct 2014 3:19 a.m. PST |
"Ultramodern (2004-2014) For discussion of military events within the past 10 years, including ongoing operations." There are a plethora of modern boards. I guess they could be rejigged, with discussion of events separate from whatever you still want to see. Then you can just turn off the discussion section(s). Cold War (1946-1989) Covering 1946 to 1989 Command Decision For discussion of anything related to the Command Decision family of rules. Flames of War For discussion of anything related to this set of rules. Micro Armour: The Game For discussion of anything related to GHQ's WWII and modern wargaming rules system. Modern Aviation Discussion For the discussion of aerial miniature wargaming from the post-WWII period to the present-day. Modern Aviation Painting Guides For discussion of the correct colors for modern aircraft. Modern Battle Reports For the sharing of gaming write-ups. Modern Discussion (1946 to 2004) For discussion of anything related to Modern miniature wargaming. Modern Gallery Post your links here to wargaming pictures. Modern Media For the discussion of books, films and other media involving modern warfare and geopolitics, including fiction and non-fiction. Modern Naval Discussion For the discussion of naval miniature wargaming from the post-WWII period to the present-day. Modern Painting Guides For discussion of the correct colors for modern figures and equipment. Modern Product Reviews For the discussion and review of Modern wargaming figures and wargaming products. Modern RPG For discussion of modern role-playing games and associated miniatures. Modern Scenarios For sharing and discussing scenarios. Modern What-If For discussion of speculative conflicts from 1946 through the near future. Zombies … |
zippyfusenet | 18 Oct 2014 5:44 a.m. PST |
Bill, we need a Jewish Conspiracies board. Chortle, if you got out more, you'd realize there are crazy Jews everywhere you go. Last I heard, one or two teenage Jewish girls converted to Islam and went to Syria. They'll be sorry. In my day, they went to Cuba and cut sugar cane. For a little while. There are still a few dozen crazy Jews in Yemen. They're crazy, they won't leave. The Houthis want to kill them, al-Qaida wants to kill them, the only people who protect them are the few remaining old Yemeni Communists from Nasser's day (who are also crazy). The Yemeni Communists want to prove a point, "See, there are still Jews in Yemen! 27 of them! Um, 26." Then there's the Neturei Carta, an entire sect who reject Zionism and demand to live in ghettos, because they believe being oppressed is a necessary element of Jewish worship. Some of us just have a masochistic streak, Chortle. But that's not why I enjoy you so much. Oh yeah. It's perfectly understandable that Jews were politically active in the late Ottoman Empire. There was a substantial native Jewish population, and the European-based Zionist movement was working to plant and strengthen colonies in Palestine, an Ottoman province. It's perfectly reasonable that Jews allied with and even sponsored the most progressive Turkish political elements, those that promoted a constitution, suppressed sharia and the dhimma, and proposed that all Ottoman subjects should become citizens of a republic. Was it a conspiracy? Why yes. So is TMP, of a sort, or the Democratic Party, or any human organization formed for any purpose. So is your little business painting toy soldiers a conspiracy. Have a nice day. |
Chortle | 18 Oct 2014 5:56 a.m. PST |
So is your little business painting toy soldiers a conspiracy. Yes, but I will be more careful with the Armenians. Hopefully none will be harmed in the production the Wurttembergers I'm painting right now. |
Rod I Robertson | 18 Oct 2014 7:00 a.m. PST |
There is no grand conspiracy here. The moment that a Jew or Christian or a person of any other faith converts to Islam they are no longer a Jew or Christian or a member of any other faith they are a Muslim. So the title of the article should be, "More French Moslems Allegedly Join Islamic Terror Group". Considering that this makes these few people only a small number of the thousand or so French citizens who have joined IS, it's no biggie. Trying to pin all the world's problems on one ethnic or religious group is a well tried and tested strategy of those with a xenophobic bent. I think it reflects well on the Ultramodern Board that when someone, for whatever reason, posts such poisonous notions or echoes such ideas of other poisoned minds, that we reject and declaim such utterances quickly, forcefully and unanimously. I will not attack Chortle for I do not know why he posted what he did. He may have genuinely felt this a legitimate post due to present-day global security concerns. I will however attack the ideas covered in his post and links as racist, religiously intolerant, and dangerous because they can provoke hatred and violence against certain groups. These are despicable ideas and our repudiation of them on the UM board and on all of TMP is a net plus for this page, the hobby and our collective humanity. The measure of a forum's 'morality' and collective conscience is not the posting by the one but the reaction of the many. In that respect I think that anybody reading this thread will see that the TMP community has acquitted itself well. Rod Robertson |
Editor in Chief Bill | 18 Oct 2014 7:14 a.m. PST |
Baron Marbot's account has been locked – he is a serial troll and previously banned member. |
fantasque | 18 Oct 2014 7:34 a.m. PST |
Feels to me that you have failed to deal with the main issue here Bill |
AcrylicNick | 18 Oct 2014 8:16 a.m. PST |
So the guy who criticizes Chortle's antisemitic drivel gets banned for being a troll? Whatever he posted elsewhere on TMP, Baron Marbod wasn't trolling in this thread. So why was his post deleted, while Chortle's offensively racist nonsense about imaginary Jewish conspiracies is allowed to stand? |
Toronto48 | 18 Oct 2014 8:31 a.m. PST |
Chortle wrote "Actually I didn't check the third link. My bad. I just looked for a link with Simon Elliot mentioned. It would be nice if serial posters like Chortle in their eagerness to post would take the time to actually read something before they post it
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etotheipi | 18 Oct 2014 9:01 a.m. PST |
It would be nice if serial posters like Chortle in their eagerness to post would take the time to actually read something before they post it Well, searches of the Internet would certainly speed up due to lack of volume… |
Winston Smith | 18 Oct 2014 9:36 a.m. PST |
This reminds me of the Klansman whose real beef was with "Negroes". He did not like any complications in his life. Keep it simple. "Them Jews look pretty white to me." |
Weasel | 18 Oct 2014 9:44 a.m. PST |
So we're cool with Snowden now right? I mean, before he was a traitor to the Fatherland and all but now, it's cool. Getting hard to keep track of this stuff. |
Legion 4 | 18 Oct 2014 9:47 a.m. PST |
Is the source of the article even credible ? Jews join moslem jihadists … shouldn't that be posted on one of the Sci-fi boards ? |
Cyrus the Great | 18 Oct 2014 11:58 a.m. PST |
@Legion 4, Have you ever seen Americathon. The Hebrews join the Arabs to form the Herabs. |
Legion 4 | 18 Oct 2014 2:30 p.m. PST |
Ah … no I didn't … but … I'd say it is interesting is a stretch … |
Editor in Chief Bill | 18 Oct 2014 3:30 p.m. PST |
Feels to me that you have failed to deal with the main issue here Bill Isn't it better to rebut his point, than to censor him? |
Editor in Chief Bill | 18 Oct 2014 3:31 p.m. PST |
So the guy who criticizes Chortle's antisemitic drivel gets banned for being a troll?Whatever he posted elsewhere on TMP, Baron Marbod wasn't trolling in this thread. So why was his post deleted, while Chortle's offensively racist nonsense about imaginary Jewish conspiracies is allowed to stand? Because the Baron has no right to speak here. He has been banned before. He will be banned whenever he is caught here again. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 18 Oct 2014 3:38 p.m. PST |
Is the source of the article even credible ? Jews join moslem jihadists … shouldn't that be posted on one of the Sci-fi boards ? Also reported by the Daily Mail… link |
Katzbalger | 18 Oct 2014 4:12 p.m. PST |
Cyrus, I believe that was "Hebrab." A pretty mediocre to poor movie, but the Hebrab thing made me chuckle a little at the time. Rob |
Weasel | 18 Oct 2014 4:31 p.m. PST |
Daily Mail is not exactly….shall we say…. unbiased. |
Peace Man | 18 Oct 2014 4:37 p.m. PST |
The Daily Mail is hardly a credible source, as im sure most UK members would agree |
zippyfusenet | 18 Oct 2014 5:36 p.m. PST |
Don't ban Chortle and spoil my fun. He brings action and color to my grey little life. In Chortle's threads, I go from being just some fat old schmuck posting on TMP to ---> Agent zippy of the hasbara! Please don't take that away from me. |
zippyfusenet | 18 Oct 2014 5:51 p.m. PST |
More support for your theories, Chortle. Possibly their original source? link "Shiite Kuwaiti Imam: ISIS Sold Thousands of Women, Girls, and Children to the Jews in Israel" |
sjwalker38 | 19 Oct 2014 4:30 a.m. PST |
Bill, you've 'censored' far less offensive posts than that of the OP in the past, nor do I see any real rebuttal of his views from 'the management' either. Referencing the Daily Mail isn't quite like saying that everything written in 70s issues of Pravda was accurate but you get the idea. And, again, there is absolutely NO gaming relevance whatsoever in the OP – purely anti-Semitic opinion masquerading as 'current affairs'. |
Winston Smith | 19 Oct 2014 4:50 a.m. PST |
The perception could very well be that TMP endorses anti Semitic Twaddle if you do not nuke this ASAP. I KNOW there is a disclaimer on the sidebar, but so what? It makes TMP look bad by it's very existence and to hide behind "we endorse free speech but not necessarily the contents" can be seen as disingenuous at best. Do you REALLY want anti-Semitism added to the usual garbage Frothers tosses at you? |
Legion 4 | 19 Oct 2014 6:56 a.m. PST |
Weasel 18 Oct 2014 4:31 p.m. PST Daily Mail is not exactly….shall we say…. unbiased. Peace Man 18 Oct 2014 4:37 p.m. PST The Daily Mail is hardly a credible source
That's the way I saw it … I may be wrong ? |
Legion 4 | 19 Oct 2014 6:58 a.m. PST |
"Shiite Kuwaiti Imam: ISIS Sold Thousands of Women, Girls, and Children to the Jews in Israel" Another credible source ? Who next shall be quoted, the Grand Wizard of the KKK ? |
Cyrus the Great | 19 Oct 2014 7:55 a.m. PST |
@Katzbalger, Thanks for the correction. It's been a long time since I've seen it. There are several memorable scenes in that movie, but it could have been better overall. It should be remade. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 19 Oct 2014 10:48 a.m. PST |
Daily Mail is not exactly….shall we say…. unbiased. Would you believe Israeli National News? link More information from Vice: link Haaretz (the original report?) link Speaking with VICE News, Gil Taοeb, vice president of the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France, echoed this sentiment."We are talking about 4 or 5 people at the most," he said. "It's a segment of the population that converted through their acquaintances. We know that a few marriages occurred between young Jewish people and Muslim extremists. These types of conversions can exist, but they are very rare. It is not causing anxiety within the [Jewish] community." So it seems to me that there is reason to believe the story to be factual. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 19 Oct 2014 10:56 a.m. PST |
And, again, there is absolutely NO gaming relevance whatsoever in the OP purely anti-Semitic opinion masquerading as 'current affairs'. First of all, if the story is true – which it seems to be – then it simply tells us that ISIS members include not only Brits and Americans, but also (converted) Jews… that has some relevance to their terrorism potential. |
duncanh | 19 Oct 2014 11:31 a.m. PST |
First of all, if the story is true which it seems to be then it simply tells us that ISIS members include not only Brits and Americans, but also (converted) Jews… that has some relevance to their terrorism potential. Indeed |
sjwalker38 | 19 Oct 2014 11:53 a.m. PST |
So, what's the gaming relevance? And don't you understand what a great own goal it is to allow this anti-Semitic twaddle (good word, Winston) to go unchallenged on the pages of TMP? |
zippyfusenet | 19 Oct 2014 12:17 p.m. PST |
…to go unchallenged on the pages of TMP? Now you've hurt my feelings. |
duncanh | 19 Oct 2014 12:19 p.m. PST |
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Weasel | 19 Oct 2014 12:22 p.m. PST |
So now we've gone from "thousands" to "five dudes". ? I mean hell, I bet I can find five rural american conservatives who support the Black Panthers if I really look hard enough. |
zippyfusenet | 19 Oct 2014 12:24 p.m. PST |
I am wounded that sjwalker38 considers Special Agent zippy of the Hasbarah! to pose no challenge to Chortle. I mean, I don't stalk every last post, but I'm in there pitching! Prolly sjwalker has me stifled and misses all my best material. Must be. |
sjwalker38 | 19 Oct 2014 12:31 p.m. PST |
Sorry Zippy and Duncan, no criticism of you intended whatsoever, given your (and others) posts, and it's worth mentioning that all the sources cited by Bill are questioning the validity of the original (unverifiable) assertion by an unnamed French official. One has to wonder what Chortle's motives are, given that any publicity arising from it can only be negative for TMP. |
Zargon | 19 Oct 2014 12:47 p.m. PST |
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duncanh | 19 Oct 2014 12:52 p.m. PST |
I'm just wondering what I did to get my post deleted. Indeed. |
Cacique Caribe | 19 Oct 2014 1:21 p.m. PST |
Holy Cow! Chi-chi-chihuahua!!! If true, now the Jews everywhere (specially Israel) will know what the US and Brits are feeling when they see their citizens join the madness. Wow! Dan |
Editor in Chief Bill | 19 Oct 2014 5:21 p.m. PST |
So, what's the gaming relevance? This is a military-related hobby, and military/security subjects are germane to TMP. And don't you understand what a great own goal it is to allow this anti-Semitic twaddle (good word, Winston) to go unchallenged on the pages of TMP? Which part is the anti-Semitic twaddle? You may disagree with Chortle's politics, but he simply reports what is also being reported by many other sources, including Israeli news sources (although the numbers seem subject to change!). |
Flecktarn | 20 Oct 2014 3:32 a.m. PST |
Bill, If you cannot see that Chortle's post and, in particular the (now edited) sources that he used, form part of a long and pathetic pattern of posting anti-Jewish twaddle on TMP, then I suspect that you need new glasses. The inconsistent and biased approach towards what passes for moderation on TMP is laughable. Jurgen |
Chortle | 20 Oct 2014 6:03 a.m. PST |
If Jewish people have really been recruited to ISIS it is a new and significant problem. Jewish people are good at recognising each other. That would help a traitor to slip in under the radar. A suicide bomb could kill a lot of people. Forcing a population to "look over their shoulders" is perhaps even more costly. It could be that ISIS already scored on that front with these stories coming out. Jewish traitors could help ISIS (or other terrorist groups) to get into Israel. There is very good security screening in Israel at points of entry (airports, ports, whatever). They ask a lot of questions E.G. Are you Jewish and, if so, what is your local synagogue. Anyone with inside knowledge could help terrorists slip through. As I said, it could be that some of these people are infiltrators. There are plenty of brave and dedicated Jewish people. I read a story about an old Jewish man who walked around cafes selling his news sheets during the Dreyfus affair. He waved stories insulting France, and the French army, under the noses of French officers. Although they have record low participation in western militaries, many young Jewish people go join the IDF. -- I am sorry about that third link in my original post. I don't keep a list of these links and have to search for them if I want them. That led to a mistake in this case. -- I am drawing a parallel between present day events and those of 100 odd years ago. Jacob Schiff (Jewish American capitalist) gave Jewish Bolsheviks $20 USD million dollars. He also boasted of closing the money markets to the Tzar. Other revolutions in Hungary (Bela Cohen), Bavaria, Germany and Turkey with similar profiles. Here are the proceedings of the US Congress for hearings on Communism in 1919. I am pushing on an open door. The facts are readily available now (until new legislation shuts down freedom of speech on the internet). Mostly you can find detailed admissions from "the horses mouth": "I'll confess it, at least, like thousands of other typical Jewish kids of my generation, I was reared as a Jewish nationalist, even a quasiseparatist. Every summer for two months for 10 formative years during my childhood and adolescence I attended Jewish summer camp. There, each morning, I saluted a foreign flag, dressed in a uniform reflecting its colors, sang a foreign national anthem, learned a foreign language, learned foreign folk songs and dances, and was taught that Israel was the true homeland. Emigration to Israel was considered the highest virtue, and, like many other Jewish teens of my generation, I spent two summers working in Israel on a collective farm while I contemplated that possibility."More tacitly and subconsciously, I was taught the superiority of my people to the gentiles who had oppressed us. "We were taught to view non-Jews as untrustworthy outsiders, people from whom sudden gusts of hatred might be anticipated, people less sensitive, intelligent, and moral than ourselves." S. Steinlight |
zippyfusenet | 20 Oct 2014 7:38 a.m. PST |
So, Jewish traitors going over to Daesh make you more nervous than Christian traitors who go over to Daesh, because you rely on Jewish security skills to protect you against terrorism, and you fear that Jewish traitors will subvert your Jewish security. You really do think we're magical, Chortle. |
OSchmidt | 20 Oct 2014 8:36 a.m. PST |
Once the Jew-bating begins, that's when I turn off. Oh I'll be around, just to keep an eye on the jew-baiters and what they're doing. But I must post something more as testimony against the calumnies already posted. I'm not Jewish. I'm Lutheran. But all my life I have received nothing but kindness, compassion, generosity, and love from Jews. They have given me nothing but fair-dealing, cooperation, and friendship. I once worked for very conservative Jews who insisted that I not only take the National and Christian holidays off, but the Jewish Holidays as well! They didn't care if I didn't go to church on those days and never tried to convert me, but they told me that they were enjoined to do this for the gentiles as well as the Jews. They also wanted me to relax and take it easy on these Jewish holidays especially. |