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warhawkwind16 Oct 2014 7:41 a.m. PST

I've seen pics with the track wheels covered in a black rubber sleeve, and then I've seen pics that seem to be without them.
Were they used in 1941?

15mm and 28mm Fanatik16 Oct 2014 8:18 a.m. PST

I could be wrong but if I have to guess I'd say rubber. It was only until later when rubber became in short supply that the Germans switched to all steel road wheels.

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2014 8:21 a.m. PST

I'm pretty sure rubber was standard on the road wheels of all German tanks until late in the war, when material shortages made them forego such luxuries.

Possibly the ones you've seen that seem to be without them are due to the road wheels being covered in dust, etc., thereby giving them a uniform look (i.e., the dust is so thick it makes everything look like the same color)?

MAD MIKE16 Oct 2014 8:24 a.m. PST

I'm 99% sure that all steel wheels were never used on the PZKW III based AFVs. Dirt and dust might be making the tire appear to be the same colour as the wheel leading to the appearance of no tire.

Porkmann16 Oct 2014 8:35 a.m. PST

I have not heard of full steel road wheels on StuGs. The return rollers yes but not the roadwheels.

deephorse16 Oct 2014 10:38 a.m. PST

Having just been through my Spielberger on the Panzer III I am 100% sure that they were not manufactured with all steel roadwheels. I would be interested to see the photos you mention if that is possible?

warhawkwind16 Oct 2014 2:14 p.m. PST

OK. Yea, dust could account for the pics I saw. They were just generic photos I found when I Googled "StugIII".
Anyone know why some AFVs had them and some didn't? Expected lifespan? Economy?
Thanx all.

Fred Cartwright16 Oct 2014 4:10 p.m. PST

IIRC only the Jagdpanzer IV with the long 75mm. Front suspension was overloaded and the rubber tyres wore out in a few miles.

Fred Cartwright16 Oct 2014 4:13 p.m. PST

That's of the III/IV series vehicles. Tiger II and Jagdtiger had them as well.
Here is a pic of the late Jagdpanzer IV. You can see the front 2 road wheels are different from the others.

picture

Wolfhag16 Oct 2014 6:05 p.m. PST

There was a shortage of rubber which is why Germany was using synthetic rubber which did not manage the freezing very well.

From what I can find steel road wheels were used on heavy tanks like Panther and Tigers and nose heavy tanks like JgPz IV. Late production Tigers are most easily identified as the rubber rimmed road wheels were replaced with steel road wheels. Some early 1945 Panthers had a mixture of steel and rubber road wheels. The Gummigefederten Stahllaufrollen (steel road wheels with internal rubber bushings) was fitted to Tigers and some Panther G's.

The Russians used steel wheels on all of their heavy tanks because the rubber could not hold u to the weight.

Probably more than you need to know.

Wolfhag

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