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Tango0108 Oct 2014 12:28 p.m. PST

"The ‘Sea Peoples' are an enigma. Egyptian sources speak of battles with invaders ‘from the sea' in the last quarter of the 13th century BCE and the first half of the 12th, but from an Egyptian point of view that just means ‘from the North', and today scholars argue over whether the various tribes that made up the Sea Peoples came from the Aegean, Asia Minor or elsewhere. Most of the references we have to them come from Egypt, which was able to withstand their migration, but several other empires were destroyed at this time, and it is assumed they succumbed to the Sea Peoples although the evidence is mostly circumstantial. Certainly the current understanding of this little-known period is that this combination of tribes had a devastating effect on the eastern Mediterranean, and perhaps also on Greek civilisation further west.

Visual evidence for what these people looked like is entirely Egyptian, and pretty fragmentary, so there is lots of room for speculation and hypothesis. The two tribes routinely highlighted as most recognisable are the Peleset (Philistines) with their caps with feather or hair crowns, and the Sherden, with their horned helmets topped by an orb or disc. Because they are the clearest ancient illustrations these two have been the basis for past sets of this subject, but in this Mars set there are just two figures with the Peleset headdress, and one with the Sherden horned helmet. The rest have a wide variety of armour and helmets, which in our view seems very plausible as we are always suspicious of neatly uniformed warriors in such a relatively unsophisticated age. Egyptian carvings to that effect may be more about artistic narrative than actual appearance, but in truth no one will ever know for sure. Here Mars look to have taken influences from all over the Mediterranean, with some crested helmets looking quite Greek and others resembling those of the Hittites, although quite where the somewhat absurd tall horns of the figure in the top row came from we don't know. Armour too is very varied, with some cuirasses including some ribbed or segmented in a very plausible style, and others perhaps made of leather or thick fabric. There is no evidence extant today to disprove any of this, and nor do we find anything here particularly unlikely for the time and place except perhaps for the metal (?) knee pads on the first figure in the top row…"

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The Accuracy looks good.

Amicalement
Armand

Cyrus the Great08 Oct 2014 12:32 p.m. PST

The sculpting is atrocious!

Dagwood08 Oct 2014 12:51 p.m. PST

The first three are based on later (c.800BC ?) Sardinian bronze figures. This is the source of the shields, armour and greaves as well as the big horns on the helmet.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2014 1:15 p.m. PST

Orcs. Seriously.

AcrylicNick08 Oct 2014 1:49 p.m. PST

Glad you like them boys!

GarrisonMiniatures08 Oct 2014 2:06 p.m. PST

Like them? They're terrible!

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2014 2:45 p.m. PST

Just to add to the discussion…….

From the article:

It has long been suggested that the Teresh, an ethnic group listed among the Sea Peoples in Egyptian sources, were one and the same as the Tyrrhenians (also referred to as Tyrsenians in other Greek sources). According to the Greek geographer, Strabo (ca. 64 BCE–24 CE), the label, Tyrrhenian, referred to the Etruscans, for whom the Tyrrhenian Sea is named. It has also been suggested that these Teresh were Trojan refugees, escaping the destruction that befell their homeland, at the hands of the Mycenaean Greeks, and eventually settling in the regions of what is now Tuscany, in Italy; lending credence to the migrations of Aeneas in Virgil's Aeneid. However, in my latest research, at least one of these claims is challenged – See more at: link


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Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2014 3:05 p.m. PST

I think they'd be good for a Classic-era Dr Whjo game – particular 3rd from left in the top row.

That has to be some kind of mind ray weapon.

Who asked this joker08 Oct 2014 5:03 p.m. PST

The Accuracy looks good.

Well…at least you are finding something positive to say Armand. wink

Tango0108 Oct 2014 11:23 p.m. PST

What can I said my friend…? (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

davbenbak09 Oct 2014 7:12 a.m. PST

Very disappointing. Mars should stick to subjects not covered by others in the industry to avoid comparison to their poor workmanship. Any one interested in Sea Peoples in 1/72 plastic would be better served by HAT Sea Peoples or Caesar Egyptian Sherden Royal Guards and the Philistine set. Thank God for PSR!

Dave Crowell09 Oct 2014 8:01 a.m. PST

Somebody is recommending the HAT Goblins for use as Sea Peoples? Now I've seen everything. ;)

Seriously these sculpts fit right in with those. I do like the suggestion of using them for Doctor Who.

Cyrus the Great09 Oct 2014 10:15 a.m. PST

I've heard of people getting stuck with lemons and making lemonade, but you couldn't persuade me to buy the lemons!

TwinMirror09 Oct 2014 11:03 a.m. PST

Dr Who ice warriors, definitely. they've got the goofy, awkward, stumbling look down to a T!

Marc the plastics fan10 Oct 2014 6:56 a.m. PST

+1 to orcs

colin knight12 Oct 2014 2:03 p.m. PST

Such a pity to waste effort like this on very interesting period. Sculpting is just terrible.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP12 Oct 2014 9:53 p.m. PST

Mars are consistent:

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Dwarves?

John Treadaway15 Oct 2014 12:51 p.m. PST

They truly are appalling. It's like transporting back in time to the lead figures of my youth in the late seventies…

John T

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