Crow Bait | 01 Oct 2014 4:59 p.m. PST |
I am thinking about buying the Command at Sea system for WWII miniatures. My question stems from this: The first set, The Rising Sun contains the 3rd edition rules, while Atlantic Navies contains the 4th edition rules. Is the material in The Rising Sun such as the Ship Data sheets and other information compatible with the 4th edition, or should I wait for an updated set? Thanks for any information you can provide. |
dragon6 | 01 Oct 2014 7:09 p.m. PST |
It's compatible but different as are the rules. They follow the same format so they can be used in odd lots, CAS4 rules with CAS(1,2,3 data). CAS3 rules with CAS4 data. American Fleets has the entire American navy, and aircraft, for the entire war. Imperial Fleets does the same for the Japanese. There was a product at clash of arm clasofarms.com that included the ship and aircraft data for Rising Sun in CAS4 format and a CD so you could print the current ship cards and aircraft forms but I cannot find it currently. That was a significant savings over the two data books but only covered the early war. |
daveshoe | 01 Oct 2014 8:17 p.m. PST |
If you are interested using Command at Sea for Pacific battles, I would suggest ordering the 4th Edition rules and the American Fleets and Emperor's Fleet data annexes. The only thing you would really be missing is the counters ( which you might not need ) and the scenario book. It should be noted that the American Fleets and the Emperor's Fleet are available on Wargame Vault too, if you don't mind just having them as a PDF ( link ) |
Crow Bait | 02 Oct 2014 9:04 a.m. PST |
Thanks for the information. Excellent advise Daveshoe, I think that is the way I will go. |
BuckeyeBob | 02 Oct 2014 12:05 p.m. PST |
I believe you will also need to get the Admiralty Trilogy 2012 Standard Damage Point Summary – which is a free PDF download at Wargame Vault. My understanding is that after CaS printed the 4th edition fleet books, they revisited the damage point methodology and changed it to make the ships a bit more robust. So you would need this PDF to make the changes to the various fleet books. |
Tim White | 02 Oct 2014 2:04 p.m. PST |
How does CaS4 compare to GQ3 in terms of complexity? |
dragon6 | 02 Oct 2014 2:58 p.m. PST |
How do CAS3/CAS4 compare? About the same. CAS3 had some stuff bolted on which is integrated in CAS4. The big difference is data and, as BuckeyeBob says, the ship damage value has changed. Twice now since CAS4 was published. |
BuckeyeBob | 02 Oct 2014 3:16 p.m. PST |
On the Clash of Arms website you can read the 4th ed Jumpstart summary of the rules. Perhaps this will give you an idea of its complexity and compare with GQ3, if you already know those rules. It also explains just what was changed from the 3rd edition. (The change was to harmonize the WW1, WW2, and Harpoon datum and make the rules for all 3 consistent. PDF link |
Tim White | 03 Oct 2014 10:10 a.m. PST |
Thanks guys. I like the long/extreme range check if the shell hits the deck or belt. Mmmm. Poor HMS Hood. -Tim |
gregoryk | 11 Oct 2014 2:47 p.m. PST |
Command at Sea is far more complex than GQ 3. |