"The Lockheed Martin's Havoc 8x8 Armored Modular Vehicle " Topic

"Lockheed Martin's Havoc 8x8 Armored Modular Vehicle successfully completed the Nevada Automotive Test Center's challenging Butte Mountain Trail course, one of the most severe off-road test tracks in the world. Teamed with Patria, Havoc is Lockheed Martin's entry in the U.S. Marine Corps' Amphibious Combat Vehicle (ACV) Phase I program.

The mile-long course has nearly 1,000 feet of elevation change and extremely rugged, rocky stretches that have damaged and disabled numerous vehicles over the years.

"Over the course of 10 days of testing, we performed more than 40 test runs up and down the mountain while demonstrating the vehicle's ride quality and crew comfort," said Scott Greene, vice president of Ground Vehicles at Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control. "Not once did the Havoc fail. And we were told numerous times that this course has stopped many vehicles over the years, including tanks."…"

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Armand

looks like a modified finnish patria amv to me, great pic.

@Shaun: That's because it *is* a modified Patria AMV.

My problem with the design is that it only holds 8-9 troops in back, not the 13 of a Marine infantry squad.

But… that means…. you have to buy TWO!

40 test runs. Didn't fail once. Well I'm not surprised since the number of test runs isnt exactly significant is it.

great, maybe we will sell more models of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At first I thought it would be a (nice) replacement for the LAV series but after a further read I have been taught a lesson.

The Patria AMV shouldn't be a bad platform to work with and earned some success having been sold to quite a lot of countries (FIN, SWE, HRV, SVN, POL, ZAF) on the other hand I have some doubts that it is a proper replacement for the AAV. However my military skills are from national service and private interest only and others will know better.

At last, I know I am repeating myself, this news report is dated 24.09.2014 and should be on the Ultramodern Board as this boards deals with discussions up to 2004 apart from posts which just do not belong here (number of those is increasing).

Cheers,
Benjamin

Lion – they'll just have to stick the spare marines on top :) Maybe weld on some handles.

I imagine if the USMC got this thing, they'd just do the "shuffle the platoon to somehow fit in" like the army does with their Bradleys.

The rebirth of tank desant!

@Pete: It is enough runs to make a statistical inference.

I still think this beast needs a stretch to seat a full squad of Marines, not strap a third of the squad on top! Besides, on top is where all the other gear is stowed…

There is 10x10 variant of AMV available, or at least there was in some point. No idea was there a proto built, didnt find any photos with quick googling, havent seen anything but one marketing 3D-model – and even that was many years back.

To note – even the 8x8 version is huge; for rosomak-variant poles needed to figure out how to scale it down a bit so you could fit one into C-130. IIRC they ended up using modular features of the AMV, transporting the heavy armour plates separately.

From my point of view; might be a good idea to scale down marine squads instead. Again from my point of view, you really cant (easily, or at least without major new innovations) build a modern APC with 13 man passenger capacity, level 4 protection and still maintain excellent mobility (ground & water) and easy air transportation in most common medium airlifts in service. There is few examples and try-outs, like Pandur II and the-turkish-IFV-which-name-cant-call-right-now, but neither of them managed to go into "full 13", and in case of pandur, corners had to be cut if amphibious 12-troop carrier was desired, IIRC protection level had to be dropped into 3.

What actually does confuse me is that there is no mention of "actual" IFV-version with bigger gun, like bushmaster.
Will definetly outmatch LAV-25 in allmost all aspects, but in firepower its going to be a close call. Especially when/if facing medium armour.

The thing about the Marines is that they build a squad to survive some losses (whether enemy-inflicted or just the usual 'rolled an ankle') and still be combat capable.

An Army squad is already going to be down a member or two for injury and lack of replacements, and then you're down to a single large fireteam of 7 men!