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" reported claim by Ukraine's Defense minister that Russia used tactical nuclear weapons against his troops sparked sarcastic comments from Moscow and criticism from the rival Ukrainian Interior Ministry.

The allegations, by Col. Gen. Valery Geletey, were first reported by Roman Bochkala, one of the Ukrainian journalists accompanying the minister in his recent trip to Poland.

"So Russia did use tactical nuclear weapons against Ukrainian troops," the journalist wrote on his Facebook page, citing Geletey's words…"
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Armand

If they had, the US would have certainly detected it and issued a stern "You better not let us catch you again, or we might mess with the porn feed your big shots get on the Internet! That'll show you!"

Russians have used Death Star, that explains everything. And stormtroopers, masked as rebel fighters.
I admire creativity of Ukrainian military, when they have to explain, how they were able to loose 65% of their heavy equipment in the east during something that in June was seen as a walkthrough. BTW,in his recent interview Poroshenko confirmed that the army wasn't in full control of the military operation, so some armed units were acting on their own…

The Ukranians would say anything to get the West involved or to hide how useless their military is.

Poroshenko has also told the West that Russia is going to invade Eastern Europe blah blah.

It's getting a bit pathetic really.

Really? So now a shamed and defeated ukrainian general tries to justify his failure with such claims and they´re even making a new story out of it?

Sorry to say that, but journalism has reached such a low level these days. Any research to prove or disprove such claims? Nope – just print the story!

Serves the general right to be ridiculed if he isn´t able to supply any facts to support his claim.

But do we really have to discuss such speculative content here? This is on the same level as me calling myself journalist, opening up a blog and publishing claims of an all-out Nato offensive against Russia supposedly starting in October, I´m sure I´ll find some weird russian sources that claim somesuch.

Sorry folks, but I´m sick of such things, and hope you refrain from posting such sensational-but-unfounded crap around here Tango.

Thanks!
BG

Clickbait. Twice.

I admire creativity of Ukrainian military, when they have to explain, how they were able to loose 65% of their heavy equipment in the east during something that in June was seen as a walkthrough.

Unfortunately the more wild their accusations the weaker the story sounds, just like the boy who cried wolf. We know that Russia has been directly involved, but blaming every cough and sneeze of Russia doesa nothing to support their case.

…in his recent interview Poroshenko confirmed that the army wasn't in full control of the military operation, so some armed units were acting on their own…

We are aware that there are certain militia units acting on their own initiative (and with their own agenda), which really need to be brought under control.

If you use a nuc … someone if not a whole bunch of people are going to notice … Even if everybody in the blast radius is dead …

There goes my idea of poking a bit of fun… I was about to ask what the source of this report was while adding "Russia Today???"

And as I hover my cursor over the link… yep: rt.com/news you're kidding right?)/blablabla

No. Next question.

Fatman

I'm reasonably certain that even with the current occupant of the White House, there would have been a whole lot of yelling and screaming coming from various military bases around the world when the satellites detected a nuclear flash, followed shortly after by a FLASH priority message stating set DEFCON 3 (forces ready to mobilize in 15 minutes), probably followed by a message a couple hours later to set DEFCON 2 (forces deployed and ready to engage in 6 hours or less). Even if we were talking about peewee 155mm or 203mm nuclear artillery shells in the subkiloton range.

Personally, I might suspect a couple FOABs or other thermobarics. I know the Russians have made dang near every single possible ordnance in a FAE or thermobaric version, even RPG warheads. A sufficiently-energetic conventional blast will cause a mushroom cloud. I've actually seen a 'mushroom cloud' the size of a pie plate before. Needs more heat than expanding boom.

Thermobaric warhead on an RPG. How much would somebody have to you of for you to want to shoot that at them?

Fatman

Fatman, we've been employing thermobaric AGM-114s for some time now…

Just exapnding on what Lion In The Stars has said, the Russians used plenty of FAE/thermobaric weapons in Chechnya.

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Seems it was a lucky hit of a ammo plant by one side or the other. You can clearly see the secondary explosions in the video. The Russians claim it was done by 3 Ukrainian SS-21 missiles. link The Ukrainians claim it was a Russian mega-mortar. link

Seriously?

Here's a quote from the story.

A reported claim by Ukraine's Defense minister…

A "reported claim? What the hell is that, second hand BS?

…and them this:

…the journalist wrote on his Facebook page…

The "journalist" wrote it on his "Facebook page"?

And then finally this:

The Ukrainian general himself later denied the nuclear allegations, saying that the journalist had misinterpreted his words.

The story isn't whether or not nukes were used but that the general made the story up.

LOL Me next, 'what did the the Ukrainian General say to the NATO Sec.General?' "I spy with my little eye something beginning withhh.. N"
No wonder Big Bear sleeps well.
Cheers for the sad hilarity of it all.

I can almost envision how this started. A Ukrainian general told someone that "there was and explosion at the ammo plant. It was huge. It looked like a nuke." (which it did -- look at the pics linked above)

The person involved in the conversation tells the reporter.

The reporter, looking for a sensational facebook headline, says, "Ukrainian general claims Russia is using nuclear weapons."

Sadly typical of modern "journalism."

Thermobaric warhead on an RPG. How much would somebody have to you of[f] for you to want to shoot that at them?

Massacring women and children seems to top my immediate list of triggers.

And an ammo plant would certainly have the right heat:boom ratio to get a mushroom cloud going…

Perhaps they are just trying to match Putin's rhetoric in the "implausible deniability" pronouncements.

Seems like a decent tactic to me.