Special Action Group Anton | 13 Sep 2014 3:34 p.m. PST |
Be treated as more or equally ofeensivw than the swastika? Canada is building a monument to the victims of communism. So what do you think? |
Mako11 | 13 Sep 2014 3:47 p.m. PST |
It is never a good idea to sweep history, and/or its symbols under the rug, if you want to prevent them in the future. |
Weasel | 13 Sep 2014 4:10 p.m. PST |
Since these forums are not for the discussion of politics, but for miniatures war gaming, the answer must be: No, of course not. Don't be absurd. If a Red Army vehicle, flag or other model would have a hammer and sickle on it, then of course you should put said symbol on it. |
Katzbalger | 13 Sep 2014 6:34 p.m. PST |
Just like an Me-109 with a swastika on the tail. Neither (communist and Nazi symbols) should be banned--but they should be understood in all their twisted history. The damn communist movement has resulted in more deaths and human suffering than the fascists of Spain, Italy, and Germany (and not all of those were Nazis). Rob |
tuscaloosa | 13 Sep 2014 6:44 p.m. PST |
"The damn communist movement has resulted in more deaths and human suffering than the fascists of Spain, Italy, and Germany (and not all of those were Nazis)." Now there's a topic that hardly ever gets discussed on internet military gaming fora! |
Weasel | 13 Sep 2014 7:35 p.m. PST |
I'm sure what Katzgalger meant was "Communist armies in tabletop wargames have killed more than their fascist miniatures counterparts" though with the bonuses most rules give to fascists, that may not be factually accurate. I'm sure he wasn't attempting to discuss politics at all. |
Dn Jackson | 13 Sep 2014 8:15 p.m. PST |
Since its been more than 10 years since at least one communist government fell, its fair game to talk about it. |
Weasel | 13 Sep 2014 8:27 p.m. PST |
I'm poking fun. Everyone knows the anti-politics rule isn't really applied unless you step on the cracks between the pavement tiles or make fun of Fox News. On topic: Nothing should be banned. The ones who hate communists already hate them. The ones who don't won't. This conversation will change exactly 0% of the boards opinions on the topic. These things make no sense out of context in any event.
"Communist" to someone in Poland won't be viewed pleasantly by most. In France, it might mean someone who was in the resistance in WW2. On a wargaming forum though? People build armies for all sorts of reasons. Plenty of people are a little too fond of their German WW2 armies. I tend to play "reds" more often than not. Most people don't care, they just picked an army that was interesting (or in some cases, whatever nobody else was playing). I imagine in the end, we're all putting appropriate symbols on our miniatures unless we live in a country where doing so would be illegal. |
Black Bull | 14 Sep 2014 3:22 a.m. PST |
Met guys in Prague who liked their communist government more than the current one beer was cheaper, a lot cheaper, drunk on loose change cheaper. |
M C MonkeyDew | 14 Sep 2014 6:31 a.m. PST |
While I certainly agree the hammer and sickle ought to be held equivalent to the swastika in terms of their negative impact on the world, I am against banning symbols. Banning only gives bad boy appeal and to some extent glamorizes the movement represented." Oh look. They were so freaking evil you are not allowed to even use their symbol. Cool!" Denying the past is not the way forward. |
bruntonboy | 14 Sep 2014 7:48 a.m. PST |
Well maybe we should also ban Roman and French eagles (imperialism and a nasty tendency of invading others), Byzantine icons ( nasty tendency of intolerant religious bigotry and pogroms), Islamic crescents (ditto), red flags with blue crosses and stars on (nastly tendency to support racism and slavery), Where do you stop? |
Zargon | 14 Sep 2014 9:35 a.m. PST |
Weasel man +1 Saw good old Glory been burned and stamped on far more than the hammer and sickle ever has been lately. They even do this on holidays in Tehran where it legal to own the flag of the 'great Satan' as long as you jump on it and burn it later, go figure. To me all symbols will have their supporters and haters let em all be. BUT one book burning and I'm at the barricade. That is the sign of total intolerance to me. Anyway the H&S looks cool on a tshirt same as the US flag otherwise meaningless except to rally my miniatures : Cheers |
Martin Rapier | 14 Sep 2014 11:08 a.m. PST |
Personally I'd be a bit more concerned about someone posting about swastikas with the moniker 'Special Action Group'. |
Weasel | 14 Sep 2014 11:17 a.m. PST |
Zargon – Correct. People telling me that I am not allowed to read a book is a no go. I'll make up my own mind, thank you. On the flags, strangest thing I ever saw was during the Mohammad cartoon thing. TV footage from Pakistan where they were burning Danish flags in the street. I was like "man, we're a real country now!". |
Tgunner | 14 Sep 2014 7:12 p.m. PST |
I don't blame 'em! The Danes will take over sooner or later! Pay the Dane Geld, never get rid of the Dane! I would know… I keep buying your stuff and you keep making more! So grab that horned helmet of yours and push off in that dragon ship or else I'll burn one of those flags too Ivan!!!! |
Weasel | 14 Sep 2014 7:30 p.m. PST |
Breaking news: space Viking supplement for Five Parsecs :) Bundle deal with a printable (and burnable) Danish flag. |
Special Action Group Anton | 15 Sep 2014 10:41 a.m. PST |
Yes the name is a tongue in cheek. KAM |
Tgunner | 16 Sep 2014 11:40 a.m. PST |
Oh geeze… More Dane Geld to pay. Maybe I should just burn my wallet! |
Weasel | 16 Sep 2014 5:20 p.m. PST |
For 2.99, we'll burn it for you :-) |